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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Hospital refuses to operate after woman requests all-female care

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Imnobody4 · 19/10/2022 17:06

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11316141/Hospital-bans-sex-assault-victim-op-female-care-request.html

I feel quite sick at this.

She was stunned then to receive an email from the hospital's chief executive Maxine Estop Green telling her the operation was off.

She told her the hospital 'did not share her beliefs' and she should make alternative arrangements for her surgery.

The message added the hospital was committed to protecting staff from what it described as 'unacceptable distress'.

Emma urged them to reconsider, adding in a further message she thought they had misunderstood her requests, which she said were entirely within the law.

The hospital said it would offer a private room but would NOT facilitate her requests for single-sex care after her operation.

It also mentioned her comment about pronouns and said it had a responsibility to protect staff from 'discrimination and harassment'.

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bd67thSaysReinstateLangCleg · 17/08/2023 03:18

sleepyscientist · 15/08/2023 16:47

Make every effort is key. All it take is for the charge nurse that night to be male along with the reg covering the ward. You then need a procedure that requires intimate care say a catheter or suturing of that region as an emergency. What are you going to do? A) disturb another ward to find a female or b) accept gender doesn't matter? What if a male does it with a chaperone, is that acceptable?

What about breaks, should staff breaks be organised so she doesn't have to have care from a male in an emergency. She asked for a guarantee that isn't going to happen. She also asked for information staff shouldn't have to give about biology.

It's not about rape or abuse survivors being forgotten it's about practicality and changing view on gender. Personally I don't see males and females differently considering all can rape and abuse. It's things like this even being positively discussed that open avenue to refusals based of race or religion. We are all the same

If you were the scientist that your username claims you to be, you would know that no female sexual abuser could ever leave her victim pregnant. We are not "all the same", there are critical reproductive differences that make women vulnerable to sexual assault in a way that men never can be. 98% of sexual assailants are male. If I must submit to having my genitalia washed by someone else, that person must be a woman to guarantee that I will not be left pregnant and to minimise the risk of sexual assault.

ChampagneCamping · 17/08/2023 05:52

Sex offenders in prison are around 98% male and 2% female. So statistically females are safer with females.

Sickoffamilydrama · 17/08/2023 09:11

Between 13-10 years ago I was a nurse in a private hospital's cardiac unit, so lots of tests involved exposing women's breasts and the procedures where done from the groin.

Everyone's was expected to treat patient's dignity as a top priority. In fact we had a patient request single sex care unfortunately the surgery she was having was done by a male but what he arranged was for the part that is most distressing/ intimate the placing of a catheter into the artery close to your groin was done by a female consultant the patient was then fully covered up and he took over.

In all the years that I worked both in the NHS and private care not once did anyone bat an eyelid at a request for single sex care.

Private hospitals are really used to caring for Muslim woman we often had members of Arab royalty in the hospital so single sex care was planned and catered for.

It's absolute nonsense that a hospital would struggle to meet this kind of request and if they truly did then it's a pretty poorly managed hospital.

Let's also not forget most nurses are women so there's hardly going to be a shortage of female staff to provide it.

donnawinters · 17/08/2023 10:28

ChampagneCamping · 17/08/2023 05:52

Sex offenders in prison are around 98% male and 2% female. So statistically females are safer with females.

Are you really suggesting a man would take all the trouble to become a Dr/Nurse and a transwoman just to commit a sex offence on a patient?

TheClogLady · 17/08/2023 10:41

donnawinters · 17/08/2023 10:28

Are you really suggesting a man would take all the trouble to become a Dr/Nurse and a transwoman just to commit a sex offence on a patient?

Do you really think someone who trained for years to be a doctor or nurse wouldn’t throw it all away by committing a sex crime?

KittenKong · 17/08/2023 10:43

There have been plenty of people in the church/teaching/charity who have been somehow attracted to a profession where they have access to women/children/vulnerable… always has been this way. And we’ve seen quite a few men in the medical field who have been convicted of abusing women/sexually assaulted them.

Sex pests come in all walks of life - from office clerks to princes of the realm…

TheClogLady · 17/08/2023 10:44

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KittenKong · 17/08/2023 10:47

Yup. The mistake people make is actually believing that certain cessions are populated by saints.

Helleofabore · 17/08/2023 10:59

donnawinters · 17/08/2023 10:28

Are you really suggesting a man would take all the trouble to become a Dr/Nurse and a transwoman just to commit a sex offence on a patient?

Holy fuck! Did I just read this?

Shall we list all the occupations that sex offenders have been in so they have access to their victims. Or has it sunk in that you have made a fucking ridiculous statement?

I mean.... well... let's start with priests? Or Teachers? Scoutmasters? Or the men who did fucking all three!

It takes nothing to be a 'transwoman'. Just saying so. Or have you missed something.

Really you are doing great work on this thread.

Helleofabore · 17/08/2023 11:01

No everyone. Apparently sex offenders would do 'both' train in a profession AND go through all that effort to become a 'transwoman.'

I mean, Miller (wasn't it) went through years of honing their skills to become a butcher and run a store in a local town, become a transwoman AND then raped a local 12 year old girl this year....

But apparently no one would go to so much effort....

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/08/2023 11:05

Perhaps sex offending is just a hobby rather than a vocation?

Moonatics · 17/08/2023 11:26

donnawinters · 17/08/2023 10:28

Are you really suggesting a man would take all the trouble to become a Dr/Nurse and a transwoman just to commit a sex offence on a patient?

Well given the church scandals and 7 years I think to become a priest. Scouts, teachers also about 5 or 6 years, the weinstein guy? How long did it take him to become powerful enough and rich enough to do what he did to actors?
And of course drs are struck off an awful lot for sexual incidents. That cancer surgeon might be miles Bradbury, might not, for assaulting children, the GP struck off for unnecessary touching of womens breasts.

That's without the "effort " of becoming a transwoman, what effort? You just say the words surely.

Helleofabore · 17/08/2023 11:53

There was a skin cancer specialist in Sydney who was jailed for sex offences against his female patients. He was my specialist but thankfully he never tried anything on me.

I mean, that takes at least a decade I would expect of basic through to specialist training.

But... no "man would take all the trouble to become a Dr/Nurse and a transwoman just to commit a sex offence on a patient?"

Apparently, it is just too much effort.

Snowypeaks · 17/08/2023 12:00

Hiding in plain sight, seeing how far they can go, gaslighting victims and destroying the credibility of whistleblowers is part of the fun. Knowing that some people know but can't/don't dare say anything - what a power trip that must be.

KittenKong · 17/08/2023 12:00

And the surgeon (I know it wasn’t a sex crime but a crime none the less) who lazered his initials onto internal organs of his patients like a flipping ‘tag’. How many years to train to be a surgeon and he goes and does something stupid like that???

Helleofabore · 17/08/2023 12:07

donnawinters · 17/08/2023 10:28

Are you really suggesting a man would take all the trouble to become a Dr/Nurse and a transwoman just to commit a sex offence on a patient?

You have just shown by 1) trying to use your question to distract from this fact that feeds safeguarding risk and 2) posing such a question that you have NO concept of what safeguarding is. None. None at all.

Yet you have been on this thread running through all the fuckwittery tactics to try to convince readers that you have some kind of moral high ground and knowledge that should be considered credible. You are not just here to state your case, you are actively dismissing women and girl's needs here on this thread.

And this last claim.... it was a doozy.

Rocknrollstar · 17/08/2023 12:41

Let’s put this into perspective. How about if she had said she didn’t want to be nursed by Muslims or by Asians?

DewinDwl · 17/08/2023 12:50

Fuck why is there so much derailing on this thread all of a sudden?

DewinDwl · 17/08/2023 12:55

Sickoffamilydrama · 17/08/2023 09:11

Between 13-10 years ago I was a nurse in a private hospital's cardiac unit, so lots of tests involved exposing women's breasts and the procedures where done from the groin.

Everyone's was expected to treat patient's dignity as a top priority. In fact we had a patient request single sex care unfortunately the surgery she was having was done by a male but what he arranged was for the part that is most distressing/ intimate the placing of a catheter into the artery close to your groin was done by a female consultant the patient was then fully covered up and he took over.

In all the years that I worked both in the NHS and private care not once did anyone bat an eyelid at a request for single sex care.

Private hospitals are really used to caring for Muslim woman we often had members of Arab royalty in the hospital so single sex care was planned and catered for.

It's absolute nonsense that a hospital would struggle to meet this kind of request and if they truly did then it's a pretty poorly managed hospital.

Let's also not forget most nurses are women so there's hardly going to be a shortage of female staff to provide it.

Hear hear

<Waits for yet more whataboutery and gaslighting>

Helleofabore · 17/08/2023 13:08

Rocknrollstar · 17/08/2023 12:41

Let’s put this into perspective. How about if she had said she didn’t want to be nursed by Muslims or by Asians?

Then that would be racist. It has already been dealt with on this thread. Perhaps you should read the thread.

She wasn’t racist. She wasn’t transphobic and she wasn’t hateful. Your comparison fails at the first hurdle.

yourhairiswinterfire · 17/08/2023 13:30

donnawinters · 17/08/2023 10:28

Are you really suggesting a man would take all the trouble to become a Dr/Nurse and a transwoman just to commit a sex offence on a patient?

You're totally right. We should do away with DBS checks for doctors and nurses in that case.

🙄

Some doctors and nurses have raped their patients, sexually assaulted their patients, in some cases have filmed themselves actually doing that to their patients, and have even murdered their patients. What a ridiculous comment.

Also, 'all the trouble' of becoming a transwoman'? What trouble, slapping some fucking lipstick on?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 17/08/2023 14:45

Rocknrollstar · 17/08/2023 12:41

Let’s put this into perspective. How about if she had said she didn’t want to be nursed by Muslims or by Asians?

Why would that be an effective analogy?

If you were going to make a racial analogy, it would be like someone of an ethnic minority, traumatised by years of racial abuse, requesting that they were cared for by someone who wasn't white. You have heard of institutional racism, right? People from marginalised backgrounds have poorer health outcomes because staff don't treat their symptoms with the appropriate gravity.

Did you know that one study found that black newborn babies in America were more likely to live if they had a black doctor? In the UK, black pregnant women were found to be five times more likely to die of childbirth complications than white pregnant women.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/08/2023 14:48

Let’s put this into perspective. How about if she had said she didn’t want to be nursed by Muslims or by Asians

How is that false analogy "putting it into perspective"?

Helleofabore · 17/08/2023 14:53

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/08/2023 14:48

Let’s put this into perspective. How about if she had said she didn’t want to be nursed by Muslims or by Asians

How is that false analogy "putting it into perspective"?

Because they read it on the internet and they, personally, found it a compelling gotcha. And likely no one on that platform that wasn’t designated as a hater pushed back on it. So they thought to give it a spin here because they believed it was so great.

bd67thSaysReinstateLangCleg · 17/08/2023 16:53

donnawinters · 17/08/2023 10:28

Are you really suggesting a man would take all the trouble to become a Dr/Nurse and a transwoman just to commit a sex offence on a patient?

Just to gain access to women and children to molest, men have:

  • become London black cab drivers, requiring the memorisation of "The Knowledge" of hundreds of landmarks and routes, a feat that alters their brain structure, and taking a series of tough exams.
  • Started charities.
  • Taken on TV and music careers.
  • Taken advantage of their position as police officers and doctors.
  • Become teachers.
There is a distressingly common pattern of sex offenders transitioning in prison and requesting transfer to the female estate, with at least one reported case of detransition after release, pretty much proving that that prisoner was only transitioning to gain access to female prisoners. So why is faking gender reassignment and also getting a qualification so far-fetched to you? Especially as, in the current climate, transwomen have become untouchable in many institutions because everyone fears being accused of transphobia if they voice a safeguarding concern. Far from being unlikely, it's probably the most reliable way right now for a male to molest and get away with it.