Hospital refuses to operate after woman requests all-female care

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11316141/Hospital-bans-sex-assault-victim-op-female-care-request.html

I feel quite sick at this.

She was stunned then to receive an email from the hospital's chief executive Maxine Estop Green telling her the operation was off.

She told her the hospital 'did not share her beliefs' and she should make alternative arrangements for her surgery.

The message added the hospital was committed to protecting staff from what it described as 'unacceptable distress'.

Emma urged them to reconsider, adding in a further message she thought they had misunderstood her requests, which she said were entirely within the law.

The hospital said it would offer a private room but would NOT facilitate her requests for single-sex care after her operation.

It also mentioned her comment about pronouns and said it had a responsibility to protect staff from 'discrimination and harassment'.

Have you read the Twitter thread linked above? All the correspondence is on it. It's worse than the Daily Mail is reporting.

If you actually read the exchange of letters, it puts the situation in a rather different light. The woman demanded something the hospital were simply not able to provide to her (a fully private with ensuite ICU bed, which the hospital simply doesn't have available). Her life was not at risk. She sounds paranoid, obsessed and insane. There's no evidence the member of staff she believed was transgender actually was. No hospital can guarantee you will only interact with female staff. Sometimes this is logistically impossible - if, for example the only specialist in a certain area on that day is male. The hospital cancelled her procedure because it couldn't meet her multiple demands.

I don’t believe for a minute that these TWs suffer “unacceptable distress” if someone uses the wrong pronouns or doesn’t allow them to care for a woman who has asked for female nurses. It’s furious male rage we see, and threats, not distress. So people like that CEO pander to them, instead of telling them to just get on with looking after the next patient.

But that's the point of news.
It isn't news when normal things happen the way they are supposed to.
It is news when something like this happens.

Yes.

And there will be a difference between requesting a female, and requesting a female that specifically excludes transwomen.

The hospital specifically said they didn't share her values and she needed to make an alternative arrangement.

i'm sure lots of places might accommodate a female only request, but not if you are quite explicit about what that actually means.

Blimey even I didn’t think we’d get “it’s all the unreasonable woman’s fault for wanting actual women to provide the care” so quickly

This is absolutely disgusting

That poor woman.

I don’t believe for a minute that these TWs suffer “unacceptable distress” if someone uses the wrong pronouns or doesn’t allow them to care for a woman who has asked for female nurses. It’s furious male rage we see, and threats, not distress.

If it caused them that much distress, you'd think they wouldn't spend so much effort trying to seek out female-only or female-focused spaces where women might object to them.

You might almost think they were trying to provoke reactions.

She sounds paranoid, obsessed and insane.

Lovely way to speak about a sexual assault survivor who experienced a man walking in on her when she was undergoing an intimate procedure. You people really are the kind ones!

So why did they tell her they don't share her values?

"We do not share your beliefs and we will not adhere to your request, and therefore we have decided to cancel your surgery."

Pretty unequivocal.

... and why did they say that they had to protect their staff from harassment...?

Presumably because they don't? But that wasn't the reason given for cancelling her procedure. Her procedure was cancelled because they couldn't provide what she demanded - a private en suite room with an all-female staff.

They may well be saying that now, but in the correspondence they say they're cancelling it because they can't adhere to her request as they don't share her beliefs.

It's all there in black-and-white. They actually wrote that down.

I would not think that any hospital could arrange a single sex ward team for any patient - a chaperone for intimate procedures yes, but your surgeon, named nurse, or HCA might be male or female across various shifts or procedures. She can ask, and they can respond. Not sure why this is made as a point about the trans person, although if they are treating her like a bigot for her beliefs I can see that she (and indeed the trans member of staff) might feel targeted. Iffy this one.
We can't provide a health service that accommodates every request, just try to compromise with the patient in the best achievable way. Single sex wards which I support don't mean single sex staff.

It's all there in black-and-white. They actually wrote that down.

Indeed. It's astonishing that they thought that was a sensible thing to do.

The woman demanded something the hospital were simply not able to provide to her (a fully private with ensuite ICU bed, which the hospital simply doesn't have available). Her life was not at risk. She sounds paranoid, obsessed and insane.

what the fuck are you talking about. They offered her a private room. They refused to offer female only care.

As for what you sound like… well, I’ll spare MN mods the hassle.

I'm a sexual assault survivor. That doesn't put someone above criticism. Or entitle them to have their every demand met even when it's logistically impossible to do so.

Do you remember the woman who kicked off on twitter not so long ago because she believed there was a trans woman on the female ward she was staying on? Huge outrage ensued which later had to backpedal as the woman admitted that in fact she'd been mistaken and the other woman wasn't trans at all? I'm not sure it can be taken as given that this woman was correct in assuming the person who entered their room was transgender. Maybe that's what the hospital meant - they want to protect their female staff from the indignity of being accused of having penises when they're just trying to do their jobs.

Not sure why this is made as a point about the trans person

Because they walked in on her when she was having an intimate pre-op done.

Read the letters. They explain quite clearly that while they have ward rooms which are private with ensuite, they do not have icu rooms which are private and ensuite. They physically could not provide what this woman demanded.

Do you remember the woman who kicked off on twitter not so long ago because she believed there was a trans woman on the female ward she was staying on? Huge outrage ensued which later had to backpedal as the woman admitted that in fact she'd been mistaken and the other woman wasn't trans at all?

She went back on that afterwards, she felt bullied by TRAs and gaslighted by the hospital. She maintains her original position now, so no.

I have to smile when you refer me from a crap rag like the Daily Fail to the cesspit that is Twitter. As if it's a better source of information. Thankfully I don't bother with either.

my post stands, there needs to be balance - the point is that the respect and treatment I received is the norm, the Daily Fail and Twitter will always want to maximise the headline for their own purposes - they couldn't give a flying 4X about women,

as the woman admitted that in fact she'd been mistaken and the other woman wasn't trans at all?

She was told by the hospital this person was female. After she learned that hospitals have an actual policy of lying to and gaslighting patients about this, she reverted to believing the evidence of her own senses. She made the mistake of underestimating how evil this movement is, not a mistake in identifying a man’s sex.

It's the corespondence between the woman and the hospital, not just random Twitter comments.