Hospital refuses to operate after woman requests all-female care

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11316141/Hospital-bans-sex-assault-victim-op-female-care-request.html

I feel quite sick at this.

She was stunned then to receive an email from the hospital's chief executive Maxine Estop Green telling her the operation was off.

She told her the hospital 'did not share her beliefs' and she should make alternative arrangements for her surgery.

The message added the hospital was committed to protecting staff from what it described as 'unacceptable distress'.

Emma urged them to reconsider, adding in a further message she thought they had misunderstood her requests, which she said were entirely within the law.

The hospital said it would offer a private room but would NOT facilitate her requests for single-sex care after her operation.

It also mentioned her comment about pronouns and said it had a responsibility to protect staff from 'discrimination and harassment'.

Some knobhead on Baroness Nicholson’s Twitter is mansplaining that an all female nursing team is a patient safety issue. FFS!

'Reframe your trauma/surgical need' will be along any minute.

The mental gymnastics some will go to in order to compel females to validate male people's identity choices by providing access to their body.

No. Males are welcome to frame their identities in any way they like. Females are equally entitled to not participate in their identity and to follow their own perceptions.

Cheers Datun

Just listening to PP - she's been in touch with the woman. Apparently female staff in the hospital are terrified of this man. It sounds like there's more revelations to come.

What have you listened to? What is PP?

It shouldn't that is the whole point. But if the senior staff are all captured, because of their colleague and thought this woman was a TERF they would think the woman was in the wrong.

Posie Parker?

Alright..."duh"... what a way to make a point.

It might have been worth meeting the CEO as the CEO requested in their correspondence to try to solve the issues. No-one really wants to go to court or independent bodies without trying everything to resolve the issues. Stress

Yes I agree with you here.

Except that isn't what she asked for @Strangeways19 and @FixTheBone. But don't let that you stop throwing women under the bus

In a nutshell.

I know this thread has moved on since this was brought up, but seriously, the general public are not going to accept a survivor of sexual abuse wanting female intimate care as analogous to being a racist.

Yes, Posie Parker.

Has the Baroness' tweet been deleted?

I know this thread has moved on since this was brought up, but seriously, the general public are not going to accept a survivor of sexual abuse wanting female intimate care as analogous to being a racist.

Indeed, it's completely nonsensical gaslighting.

Have read the correspondence fully. She wanted all female care that she makes very clear. She says only with prior agreement will she want a male in her room. This is going to be pretty much impossible in such a busy environment.

The man who barged in on her intimate procedure should be hauled over the coals not pandered to.

Considering the employee who did this came into the room when an intimate procedure was in progress, made sure to look long enough to make eye contact with the patient, and then left without comment or apology or any indicated reason for being in the room and at that point may have known this patient did not want care from a male who wished her to enact a belief of their being a woman?

It has to be considered from a safeguarding point of view that this may have been intentional harassment/intimidation rather than a mere blunder.

She didn’t ask for that though. She asked for female nursing aftercare which is entirely reasonable and would represent a tiny percentage of the team. One nurse per patient in ICU. And she did that only after a trans woman entered her room during an examination and locked eyes with her in a way that made her feel intimidated. No one just walks in accidentally during intimate exams.

@Strangeways19

She says she wants all female care after the operation. She is fully aware her surgeon is male.

The hospital at that point could have said it was impossible in ICU but she would only be there for x hours and then she would get her single sex care after that.

As multiple other posters - including me - have pointed out, this hospital performs a lot of surgery on devout Muslim women who have exactly the same requirements - to receive no intimate care from men.

This hospital's success is partly down to their ability to deliver single sex services to women from religious minorities.

They refused to deliver the same to this patient because they didn't respect her reasons for asking for them. As is clearly outlined in the correspondence which you have presumably also read.

‘Have read the correspondence fully. She wanted all female care that she makes very clear. She says only with prior agreement will she want a male in her room. This is going to be pretty much impossible in such a busy environment’ - you first claimed it was the whole team of hundreds. She’s asking for female aftercare. It’s usually one nurse per person in ICU per shift so easily manageable. It’s a private hospital which ask customers to pay for what they need. This is easily managed. And she only asked for that after a trans person walked into her room during an examination and kicked eyes with her. No one in hospitals accidentally walks in during private exams. It was clearly meant to intimidate. Her response is entirely reasonable.

It might have been worth meeting the CEO as the CEO requested in their correspondence to try to solve the issues. No-one really wants to go to court or independent bodies without trying everything to resolve the issues.

The issue was clearly stated by the hospital - that the hospital has a set of beliefs that must match a patient's in order to operate on them. This is discrimination. How do you propose the patient could have resolved this? Change her beliefs? She evidently has no power over this ludicrous hospital policy. And particularly not hours before vital surgery.

Those of us who have suffered domestic abuse know about The Stare. I'm guessing the man who came in used The Stare. The Stare means you are marked, you are in trouble but you don't know when or where you will receive your punishment. The Stare is used to intimidate and scare. Sometimes The Stare just mean keep walking on those eggshells. This man did it on purpose. I hope the investigation is made public or is leaked.

I didn't say anything about 'a team of hundreds ' I think you're mixing with another poster.
If the hospital responded in the way they did, there must be more to it. I'm sure we'll find out as things unfold.

I didn't read it that way. I thought they were saying that it would be impossible to meet demands due to request for all female staff. They were unable to agree this point, that's how I read it.

100% correct. I realised I was finally free of my exH when he tried "the stare" on me at our son's wedding and it had no effect on me

Ah, quite possibly. New to this. Reading the correspondence in the right order makes it clear their decision to cancel was because she didn’t ‘share their values’. When she started to point out that this is discriminatory (how did they not know) they started qualifying that decision by introducing the idea of it also being an issue of resource management. The first email is damning. it can’t be qualified.

As someone else has pointed out here, they earn much cash from serving the needs of wealthy women from the ME who make similar requests for religious reasons. No resource issues there. I think they could be found in breach of medical ethical standards and will await the news of legal interventions on this woman’s behalf.