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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Hospital refuses to operate after woman requests all-female care

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Imnobody4 · 19/10/2022 17:06

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11316141/Hospital-bans-sex-assault-victim-op-female-care-request.html

I feel quite sick at this.

She was stunned then to receive an email from the hospital's chief executive Maxine Estop Green telling her the operation was off.

She told her the hospital 'did not share her beliefs' and she should make alternative arrangements for her surgery.

The message added the hospital was committed to protecting staff from what it described as 'unacceptable distress'.

Emma urged them to reconsider, adding in a further message she thought they had misunderstood her requests, which she said were entirely within the law.

The hospital said it would offer a private room but would NOT facilitate her requests for single-sex care after her operation.

It also mentioned her comment about pronouns and said it had a responsibility to protect staff from 'discrimination and harassment'.

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FloatOn · 20/10/2022 12:55

This story is absolutely horrifying. I hope she takes them to the cleaners.

I had to have a coil removed that had somehow vanished into my body, it was carried out in a hospital. The female nurse met me in the reception area and advised that it was a male doctor carrying out the procedure and she was happy to rearrange if I felt uncomfortable. This is the way all female health care should be conducted.

FixTheBone · 20/10/2022 12:55

I'm going to disagree with the majority here.

Does anyone actually know how many people would be involved in that care episode?

Probably over 100.

How on earth can the hospital guarantee that not a single male will be involved in her care? She could be in hospital for over a week depending on the procedure - what? change all the rotas so there's no male doctors, nurses, porters, radiographers, physios, pharmacists just for one person?

Madness.

TheClogLady · 20/10/2022 12:57

FixTheBone · 20/10/2022 12:55

I'm going to disagree with the majority here.

Does anyone actually know how many people would be involved in that care episode?

Probably over 100.

How on earth can the hospital guarantee that not a single male will be involved in her care? She could be in hospital for over a week depending on the procedure - what? change all the rotas so there's no male doctors, nurses, porters, radiographers, physios, pharmacists just for one person?

Madness.

Lucky that’s not what she requested then, eh?

nilsmousehammer · 20/10/2022 12:59

FixTheBone · 20/10/2022 12:55

I'm going to disagree with the majority here.

Does anyone actually know how many people would be involved in that care episode?

Probably over 100.

How on earth can the hospital guarantee that not a single male will be involved in her care? She could be in hospital for over a week depending on the procedure - what? change all the rotas so there's no male doctors, nurses, porters, radiographers, physios, pharmacists just for one person?

Madness.

RTFT.

FannyCann · 20/10/2022 13:20

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 20/10/2022 12:28

I would really like to know whether their female Muslim patients are expected to receive “single sex” care from men in wigs.

This is an interesting point as we know that in certain countries with very punitive attitudes to same sex relationships there is a corresponding tolerance of transition. A nearly exclusively male "women's" football team comes to mind.

LaughingPriest · 20/10/2022 13:24

Can't believe this woman asked for her medical team to consist of two hundred magic unicorns, Terry Wogan and the Queen! Madness.

SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket · 20/10/2022 13:46

Can't believe this woman asked for her medical team to consist of two hundred magic unicorns, Terry Wogan and the Queen! Madness.

I know, right?! I was talked through my blood results once by a beret on the end of a stick, and I was grateful.

TheClogLady · 20/10/2022 13:58

SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket · 20/10/2022 13:46

Can't believe this woman asked for her medical team to consist of two hundred magic unicorns, Terry Wogan and the Queen! Madness.

I know, right?! I was talked through my blood results once by a beret on the end of a stick, and I was grateful.

MY recent blood test results had to be interpreted from chicken scratches in a disused paddock. I’d love the luxury of a talking beret on a stick.

nilsmousehammer · 20/10/2022 14:09

Ah MN. The joys of women competitively suffering. 😆

Come on. Who had the heating right off in twenty under zero, in full and total lockdown Done Right, making a chicken serve 3000 for nine meals and gratefully gronda-ing at their MiL eating the children while talking to these berets on sticks?

ZeldaFighter · 20/10/2022 14:11

Just to put this out there, my customer service training in 1996 covered what to do if a customer refused to deal with you because you were a woman or person of colour. We were asked to reassure the customer of our ability and competence. If the customer asked to speak to the "man in charge", they could redial the helpline and hope to get a man or they could speak to a team leader, who could be of either sex. Never were we allowed to deny service, unless actual abusive or hateful (racist) language was used.

Surely the hospital should have worked with her to establish how best to help her. Cancelling is punishment and potentially murderous.

As for the staff member opening the door, that seems a premeditated display of dominance and aggression. What are the chances??? And if it was an innocent accident why no apology ???

(Looking back, this training is appalling for people of colour but I can only apologise that we were all white and didn't realise this at the time.)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/10/2022 15:03

I worked in a role as a young woman in 1999/2000 where we had certain clients who wouldn't deal with women ever, and they were fully pandered to.

beastlyslumber · 20/10/2022 15:19

The people(?) on this thread defending the hospital are blowing my mind.

They clearly stated that they were cancelling her operation because they didn't like her beliefs. You can't really look at that in any other way than blatant discrimination.

RadicalFern · 20/10/2022 15:19

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Madcats · 20/10/2022 15:57

That poor lady.

There is a petition here:
citizengo.org/en-gb/ot/209315-princess-grace-total-disgrace

Apologies if somebody has already provided the link.

FurryDandelionSeekingMissile · 20/10/2022 16:01

karalimed · 20/10/2022 11:26

She literally says "my patient records showed that I refused to use pronouns".

What do you think a pronoun is? Please tell me how anyone can speak English without using pronouns. She is making a nonsense statement.

Congratulations — you obviously paid attention in your primary school English lessons. I, too, learnt about the parts of speech and the definition of "pronoun" when parsing a sentence, at about that age.

I have also been lucky enough to have the privilege of being able to continue English lessons into secondary school, and at these more advanced levels you learn of a difficult concept called "context". It means that a word can actually mean different things depending on when and how you use them!

For example, "hands" are those wiggly things on the end of your arms, but in the context of the phrase "all hands on deck", the word actually means whole people! (This particular type of figure of speech, where a part is used to represent the whole, or vice versa, is known as synecdoche.)

Someone might say "I don't use drugs" and, in nearly all circumstances, through a careful consideration of the context, most people would take that to mean "I don't use illegal recreational drugs", rather than retorting with "Aha, but I saw you take paracetamol with a hot caffeinated drink yesterday, and I know you're on sertraline!"

Similarly, someone might say "I don't have/use/do pronouns" to express disagreement with others requiring them to state their pronouns or to use particular pronouns for others, and only the very obtuse or facetious would ignore the contextual clues and say, "Aha, but you started that very sentence with a pronoun!"

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/10/2022 16:13

Perfectly put, Furry.

MrGHardy · 20/10/2022 16:25

How is this not a lawsuit happening though?

Rightsraptor · 20/10/2022 16:40

Who says it's not happening @MrGHardy ?

Early days, early days.

SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket · 20/10/2022 17:39

I see Baroness Nicholson has been busy.

Imnobody4 · 20/10/2022 17:40

Baroness Nicholson has intervened,

twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1583113147287711744?t=zgqU6iTw8oSXi6jlkyFxng&s=19

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DameMaud · 20/10/2022 17:51

Imnobody4 · 20/10/2022 17:40

It's gone!

Datun · 20/10/2022 17:52

twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol

still there. Maybe it's the link

SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket · 20/10/2022 17:54

I think it might be because it included the woman's full name. She appears to have written several letters and the others are still on her Twitter profile.

Mummyoflittledragon · 20/10/2022 18:05

Poor woman. I hope she gets her surgery really soon!

Imnobody4 · 20/10/2022 18:14

SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket · 20/10/2022 17:54

I think it might be because it included the woman's full name. She appears to have written several letters and the others are still on her Twitter profile.

That might be the reason it's gone. It was addressed to the company who owns the hospital, so a layer up.

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