Graham Norton has terminated his Twitter account after attacking JK Rowling

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Well that's one less beardy man on there defending rape and death threats.

Live by accountability, die by accountability, right Mr Norton?

I particularly liked this quote

Thanks for linking.

This jumped out at me:
"I think the main issue with people like Norton is that they never think they themselves will be cancelled. Like the woke left more broadly, certain celebs are fine with cancel culture because they know it is primarily aimed at people with supposedly ‘unfashionable’ views".

That's it. Norton believed he holds the correct acceptable views and therefore is safe. People with "unacceptable" views should expect to be punished for them.

I liked the face-eating leopards one. I'd forgotten about that.

I've been thinking about GN and his call to listen to "experts" while clearly not thinking JKR (or indeed women in general) have any relevant expertise to bring to bear.

GN's comments in the past about women who he saw as figures of fun and derision say something about his empathy levels.
He's not a woman.
He does not have any idea what that means in terms of life and living.
He's surrounded by women who move in the same cosseted world he moves in so even further removed from the lives of ordinary women.
He has centred trans identifying people with no consideration of how anyone else might be impacted.
Women are not on his radar as being impacted by gender ideology.
As a gay Irish man he has his own experience of prejudice and bullying and that allows him to simplistically identify with those he decided have victim status in the battlefield that is gender ideology.
So much evidence of simplistic thinking.

I WAS pleased when I saw he had called for people to listen to experts (and specifically clinicians) rather than just trans people.
That jumped out at me more than the celeb aspect.
It resonated with me as positive being in Ireland where TRA lobbyists have locked horns with clinicians who do not agree that affirmation and WPATH are the way forward.
Saying "listen to experts rather than formulate treatment protocols and legislation based uniquely on input from trans-identifying people" would be a step forward in Ireland.
For me that was a positive in terms of considering the protocols for the care of trans identifying children.
But that's where the positives ended when I looked at his inability to recognise and acknowledge that women as a sex-class have skin in the game; his inability to see JKR as a woman with relevant experience (rather than "just a celeb"); his failure to condemn death and rape threats to women and his utter naivety about cancel culture.
I suspect the only thing he may now be more informed about is accountability.
I doubt he has learned much else.
Will he rock up to his show and pretend it hasn't happened, or use the opportunity to take some swipes at the mean people?
Whichever it is I don't expect contrition or new found awareness.

Weird formatting. Not sure what happened there!

My God, that's an absolute gem.

What do you think, Freespirit, Fairyperson or whatever you're called, and the rest of you?

Two great articles. From Victoria's:

"Again, it is just like housework. You get a whole room a whole lifetime of pristine female politeness and all men notice is that one speck of dirt, that one moment when we women choose to say “no”. They’d best get used to it, though. We have no more silence left to give."

he wanted his ‘good person’ points without having to do any thinking

Indeed. Or without having to actually be a good person.

This is a masterpiece!

I think it might be her best ever.

Love both articles - spot on. Victoria's especially - We have no more silence left to give - reads like a clairon call to me.

I am quite surprised to have seen posts twisted to say or at least imply that feminists ‘As they are the ones who seem to have a problem with him talking about accountability.’ Really?

Seems to me to be a wonderfully disingenuous thing to post. Especially after the past month. Crikey.

I would say that would be projection to write that sentence.

Accountability?

Like male people acknowledging they are accountable for making extreme body modifications, or not even any, and then demanding people suspend their own perceptions and allow them access into female safe spaces.

torontosun.com/news/provincial/hunter-exclusive-sex-offender-who-ids-as-woman-busted-for-shelter-attack/wcm/426228a4-1036-457d-899a-98003fb74bd7/amp/

Accountability? Like the trans person who said that any trans people doing and saying outrageous and threatening things is only a response to them feeling people want them erased from existence? As if that gave those doing and saying these things permission to act that way while refusing to admit that women had the same ‘feeling of being erased’ yet didn’t say or do those thing?

(I would link the tweets from the Stonewall representative who said that but I cannot find it quickly enough)

Has Mermaids taken due accountability for their poor safeguarding or just weaseled out of it? Has there been anything since the porn art incident? I must have missed it…

mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/statement-regarding-trustee-appointment/

You mean that ‘accountability’
that those whose campaign demands that the needs of trans people are prioritised above those of women and children have taken?

Yet, feminists are always being held accountable. And even feminist groups demand other feminists to be accountable. Saying feminists ‘are the ones who seem to have a problem with him talking about accountability.’ is bollocks.

Feminists want accountability.

Feminists don’t want ‘cancel culture’.

And remember , the question actually asked by the interviewer was about ‘cancel culture.’

As they are the ones who seem to have a problem with him talking about accountability.

mmm… feminists seeming to have a problem with accountability says a poster.

Including those calling themselves feminists who post things on FWR about women’s skin tone and miraculously disappear when their racism is pointed out? That kind of accountability?

And this is a damn jewel too. As with Smith's piece, I can't pull a quote because every single word is spot on and brilliant.

Yes, Norton, wearing a fat suit and fake cum on your face to mock Jade Goody is indeed way more offensive than saying men can't become women and women need female only spaces.

As they are the ones who seem to have a problem with him talking about accountability.

What are you lot complaining about? If what happened to JKR is merely "accountability" (and would you say that to Salman Rushdie?), how is what happened to Norton any different? This is "accountability", right?

And what form did it take? Were GC women threatening to bomb his house, set him on fire and rape him?

^when I looked at his inability to recognise and acknowledge that women as a sex-class have skin in the game;*

I know we see it all the time, the complete failure to focus on women at all. But it's still shocking, nonetheless. So many men view them as utterly irrelevant. Even when fighting for their most fundamental rights, including ownership of their own sex class.

It's still all 'what do the men think?'

He's part of the problem.

He's part of the problem.

As we keep saying on this thread. The ‘experts’ he mentioned were all experts that excluded any that were prioritising female rights over male’s demands for rights to include them.

If Graham Norton was ‘neutral’ he would have said included them. It wasn’t like he hadn’t been given a prompt by Mariella. He ignored the second chance to be ‘neutral’ and chose a second time to show support for only one side.

"Experts" is a funny choice of words. Is JKR not an expert on what it means to be a woman? Who, in Norton's eyes, is expert enough to comment on what it means to be a woman and what rights and protections women require? If not women themselves?

I suspect he doesn’t think about women and their needs at all. Probably not any female.

As Smith said, he thinks that what he's heard is all there is to hear. Like housework, he only notices women's self-censorship when they stop doing it.

It is possible that he will see how this "accountability" affects him and make the connection. Better late than never, of course.

My God, JKR, you are a fucking warrior queen. Norton couldn't handle a fraction of what you do, Billy Bragg can't stop whinging about it, James Felton won't say anything unless he turns off comments first because he can't take even robust disagreement, never mind threats and rage and absolute lying abuse. How do you do it, woman? You must be magical.

Well maybe ask them if they see themselves as women sure why not if they see themselves as men and that’s up to them if they see themselves as feminists as men can also ally with feminists

men can also ally with feminists

yes. Males can be allies. Males. Feminism is about centring females. Even those females who don’t consider themselves feminists or women or girls.

Language is important.

Why should any male be centred in feminism?

I think we are into the realms of feminism is for and about every body, so not fighting for anyone or anything in particular @Helleofabore because that would mean excluding people it doesn't relate to and the basis of what feminism is and that would never do, can't have something just for and about females, dearie me no.

ONLY WOMEN AND WOMEN WITH PENISES SHOULD BE CENTRED IN FEMINSIM

We're also in the "how they see themselves is how you must see them too" thoughtcrime centre. See y'all in Room 101.

What about the girls, Nic? Don't forget them! Even those who are middle aged with penises!