Nicola Sturgeon is on Radio 4 now. She's said that her gender reform won't make any difference

[Clymene]

Transwomen aren't men. Very tiny numbers of people.

She's such a bloody liar.

Some extracts:

The current process is stigmatising and traumatic. If anyone seeks to misuse the process, they'd be committing a criminal offence.

Individual risk assessments.

Abusive men are a risk to women, we shouldn't seek to be further stigmatise and discriminate against a tiny tiny minority.

Many threats to women. Real feminists should be focusing on them.

I really, really dislike her.

Yes she needs direct questions like that

I hope she is subject to more scrutiny on the issue

“ A parcel o’ rogues in the nation “ as Burns said was never more apt than now.
Women up here with fight back with everything we have. Please support us any way you can and watch the videos of yesterday rally. ( You can also admire our stunning banners)

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1168275/Paedophile-opened-riding-school-lure-young-girls-jailed-years.html
Is Wiltshire "North"?

Wiltshire is very much South.

Makes one wonder if Kellie might be wanting this thread to focus on other things than the details of the OP, how she keeps musing on Scotland as a holiday destination…

THIS THIS THIS!!!

Where's the 'like' button when you need it?

Thanks for coming back to me all, appreciated.

MishyJDI · Today 09:23
Nicola is a legend and true hero for standing up against the vitriol and fear mongering.
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from the parliament report:
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'the majority recognise that, when asked about evidence of abuse and concerns, no witness was able to provide concrete examples.’
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Scottish Parliament GRA Reform Stage 1 Report para 472
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People can fear monger all they like, but when push came to shove, where was the evidence of abuse given to the committee?
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She has total respect for looking through this frenzy at the actual reality and trying to make some people’s lives more equal while protecting women’s rights as well.
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Absolute legend. That is true leadership sadly lacking elsewhere.

Thank you MishiJDI. At last some balance to this very one-sided debate.

The level of vitriol in these posts and personal attacks on NS is concerning.

This bill has been scrutinised by a cross-party committee which heard evidence from individuals and organisations on both sides, as well as academics. In addition, there has been a public consultation.

The committee’s final vote was 5-2 to proceed to further scrutiny with the full parliament. SNP, Labour, Greens voted for, only the 2 Conservatives against.

From this cross-party committee, no MSP other than NS has been mentioned on this thread. Truly worrying.

Marsha Bradyo, it is not NS who is being scrutinised on this issue. Rather, the issue itself is being scrutinised by a cross-party committee then will go to a full parliamentary hearing for further scrutiny. The GRA is supported by the SNP, Labour and Greens.

What a load of bloody rubbish. You'd be better off economically without us? As if. I'm hardly any way into this thread and already the Scots bashing begins.

What’s worrying is the fact that some people cannot see the problems that are, and will happen when men , how ever they identify themselves, are allowed into women’s single sex spaces.
I suggest you, & the others on here who cannot see the issue have a look at the videos from the rally on Thursday and listen to the speakers.

Women need safety, privacy and dignity, children need safeguarding.
Men cannot be women & women cannot be men, I’m with Professor Sir Robert Winston & biology.
Sturgeon is an utter disgrace & an embarrassment to Scotland.

If that fact that a trans identifying man, who told rape survivors to “ reframe their trauma“ doesn’t seem to bother some people is disgusting.

If the fact that person is the CEO of a rape crisis Centre doesn’t disturb anyone is appalling.

When it comes to the panelists at the GRA hearings, they have their own agendas & clearly have already made their minds up before the hearings took place.

Maggie Chapman has already tweeted that the bill will pass, very unprofessional behaviour, she even apologized on Thursday “ for the distress the delays may have caused to trans people” Chapman is a zealot, same as the convener Joe Fitzpatrick, Karen Adam employs/ employed a man who wants to punch “ terfs” Pam Duncan Clancy is a disabled woman who cannot seem to grasp that other disabled women should have the right to a carer of the same sex.
The only two on that panel who have any decency & concern for women are Pam Gosal & Rachel Hamilton.
It’s an sickening state of affairs and makes me sad that a country that was the cradle of the enlightenment has become a country I am ashamed of.
The women & men here will continue to push back & we will prevail. We have learnt a lot from our sisters in Ireland & we won’t allow our country to go the same way where trans identifying men are kept in women’s prisons any longer.

Absolutely, but to me there are a list of real examples rather than “any man in this room” e.g Freddie McConnel, who started IVF immediately after acquiring a GRC to get the status of “man”, the judge in one of her cases remarked on it, I cannot remember the exact wording. What about the man in Ireland who got a GRC in the time between being charged with rape and his trial. He got his barrister to say that the charged person no longer exists and therefore the trial shouldn’t go ahead as his client is not that person. The teacher in Canada with the very large fake breasts?
What evidence would be admissible anyway?

Nicolas Sturgeon claims that there is a difference between a man who lives as a woman for three months and other men. She claims that this difference means that a man who has lived as a woman for three months poses no threat to women even though she acknowledges that other men do.

Can one of you explain how this magic change takes place? And also how does a man live as a woman?

This bill has been scrutinised by a cross-party committee which heard evidence from individuals and organisations on both sides, as well as academics. In addition, there has been a public consultation.

Is that the public consultation where a large number of submissions was disregarded for the start?
No matter where anyone stands on the question of independence, it should concern even the most fervent supporter of NS and the SNP that the perception of many people is that no SNP MSP would ever go against SN's wishes and that those who do won't be MSPs very much longer. That's not how it should be in a party that values democratic processes.

@Honeysuckle16 this thread is about an interview I heard on the radio with NS. It is not concerning that I or any other women find her objectionable. No one is issuing threats or wishing her harm.

I don't think it's that man. That was 2009. Its more recent than that.

Sorry you are about the third person who has brought it up. I have no desire to muse on it as a holiday destination as I have no desire to go there. Just to return to the subject of the OP as others desire to use my remark to drag it away from there, it does appear that Nicola Sturgeon continues to act like the last Japanese soldier, refusing to down her weapons out of some sort of self-deluded desire to be seen as the “right” sort of feminist when every other sane feminist has long abandoned her.

How dare NS give away my rights? Not acceptable. Unseat her.

@OldCrone I too would like to hear about the magic change that happens over a three-month period of “living as a woman” - whatever this means 🤔

Come on Mishy and Honeysuckle we really need to know how this magic happens…and what living as a woman means. Do tell

If that fact that a trans identifying man, who told rape survivors to “ reframe their trauma“ doesn’t seem to bother some people is disgusting.

If the fact that person is the CEO of a rape crisis Centre doesn’t disturb anyone is appalling.

This. This is what peaked me. I still remember feeling physically sick listening to this individual speak.

The women of Scotland are being truly shafted. With the 'so open minded their brains fell out' cheering on the sidelines.

Just a big con by misogynists. For years men have tried to make women feel guilty for rape. As in Iran and places.

I guess just ask people to use a different pro-nouns is all you have to do.
Wear woman's knickers under your clothes?

Every male sex offender due in court is surely going to self ID so they have access to woman's prisons. Great.