Tory’s manipulation of women

[CaronPoivre]

All this nonsense that only the Tory’s know what a women is and you can’t vote Labour/Lib Dem/SNP because they don’t is just conscious and disingenuous manipulation of women voters, isn’t it? They say what people want to hear. Photo taken today at conference suggests they are also unclear about the rights of natal women but happy to get their votes by lying.
who is really more likely to support woman's rights, JRM or Angela Rayner? Johnson or Yvette Cooper?

This.

This did not start with the Gender Recognition Act; it started long before then with the group called Press For Change that was founded in the early 90s. One of their founder members was the Conservative transwoman Christine Burns. I'm quite sure the other founder members were from other parties and other political persuasions, but let's not kid ourselves that this all started on the Left because it didn't

Transactivism didn’t start on the left, no, but it was Blair’s Labour who took on Press for Change’s demands and wrote them into our law with absolutely no regard for women.

The other PFC founder was Stephen Whittle, aka the architect of the GRA, according to Pink News.

I totally agree that both trans rights activists and those willing to stand up against them exist in all our political parties though!

Oops, forgot the link for the screenshot:
herriotts.wordpress.com/2020/05/16/the-usual-suspects-steven-whittle/

Whittle has been discussed at length on Mumsnet (and even paid us strange, finger wagging visit, where Whittle suggested that girlguides-with-vulvas could be safeguarded from girlguides-with-penises via the protective mechanism of ‘sturdy pyjamas’)

It's been said often enough that the GRA was originally intended to accommodate a tiny number of transsexuals.

There has never been anything in place to limit the number of GRC issued, or for the recipients to have any surgery- the only thing necessary is a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. There is no evidence that it was ever intended to accommodate a small number of people.

In addition to allowing men to be given a female birth certificate, the GRA allows the concept of 'transitioning', and gives men without the diagnosis of GD, or any medical or surgical treatment the protection of Gender Reassignment.

It is this protected characteristic that allows men into female prisons and hospital wards, and even gives men a degree of 'privacy' in dbs checks.

Self id for a GRC was a bonkers idea by the Conservative party, but it wouldn't have made a jot of difference to how men are allowed into women's spaces.

here’s a selection of Mumsnet threads about Stephen Whittle OBE

Whittle has been a very, very busy little bunny, trying to eradicate sex based rights from UK law.

we even coined a word to acknowledge Whittle’s contributions to this area,

to s’whittle/ s’whittling

it works much like the word ‘whittling’ only instead of shaving tiny slivers from wood until it resembles something completely different, s’whittling refers to shaving away Women’s legal protections tiny bit by tiny bit until they are no longer fit for purpose.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3436955-Stephen-Whittle

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3375587-Press-for-Change

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3397127-Stephen-Whittle-Press-for-Change-irresponsible-use-of-likely-suicides-follows-Helen-Belchers-Trans-Media-Watch

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3398127-Stephen-Whittle-influential-TRA-asserts-We-know-we-have-Labour-behind-this-one-so-will-simply-do-our-best-to-get-them-elected-Corbyn-seems-to-confirm-this-at-Pink-News

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3463920-Lets-go-back-to-2007

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3212371-Where-are-all-the-trans-men-An-Answer

Whittle was the first non medical chair of WPATH, if I recall correctly.

AND Whittle makes an appearance in the horrifically misguided 2012 Children’s BBC programme ‘I Am Leo’ one of the suspected tinder boxes in the subsequent ROGD conflagration.

Apologies, I Am Leo is from 2014, here is Transgender Trend’s take on it:

www.transgendertrend.com/uk-cbbc-childrens-tv-i-am-leo/

The earlier show I was thinking of (another tinder box) was Channel 4s My Transsexual Summer which aired at the end of 2011 and then again in 2012, where it became a frequently advertised, high profile feature of Channel 4’s streaming service.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Transsexual_Summer

My Transsexual Summer was a Trans Media Watch project and involved various names familiar to FWR behind the scenes such as Helen Belcher (Lib Dem candidate) & Paris Lees (of ‘trans person on Question Time fame) and starred Fox Fisher (who went on to write a ‘how to trans’ guide book for teenagers)

theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/07/my-transsexual-summer-channel-4

There's a lot of new posters on here, trying to convince us that is the Tories who are the enemy.
Let's just pretend that Labour knows what women are, without a shedload of humming and haaing, or straightforward denial.
And let's not worry our pretty little heads about Labour's support for reforming the GRA, when at least the Tories had the common sense to read the room and leave it alone.
Let's forget that Labour left Rosie Duffield out to dry when she was attacked by TRA's. Or that they ignored it when a meeting of Gender Critical women, held next to Party Conference was attacked (involving a member of Angela Raynor's staff).
Let's just continually rake up the past, and not look at the future.
And no, I won't be voting Tory, but I definitely won't be voting Labour.

If the point is that self ID is only part of the threat to women's rights then I think that's a fair one. The Conservatives say they no longer plan to reform the GRA but a lot of damage has already been done plus I am sure they're still subject to immense lobbying. I think they need watching closely, especially ministers in positions such as Education, Health and Justice.

However, regardless of what's happened in the past, there remains clear daylight between the positions of the two parties: i.e. Labour have indicated that still intend to implement self ID while the Tories have said they do not. If someone has evidence that this is not the case then I will listen, but otherwise I cannot take seriously anyone who tries to persuade me that this is not a significant and very concerning difference.

I think they need watching closely, especially Ministers in positions such as Education, Health and Justice.

I would also be watching Jamie Wallis. But his blue rosette seems to render him harmless/invisible here.

Clearly, the Tories have seen which way the wind is blowing now and are doing an about turn. Cynical, but realistic. The wrong reason but the right result (provided they go through with it) and the result is the most important thing.

Meanwhile, can someone explain how Labour is the party to care about women when they don't know what a woman is? Either it's true that they don't know, in which case they are stupid. Or they do know but daren't say so, in which case they are cowards. Either way, they are not fit to govern.

Seriously? Honestly it's like discussing with toddlers. I suggest you go and educate yourself about the (very carefully expressed to stay within the mumsnet guidelines) views of women on here about that individual.

Oh come on now!

Jamie Wallis is political hasbeen who is stepping down at the next GE anyway. He’s hardly a mover and shaker in the Tory party.

plus, he’s been discussed plenty:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4517300-mp-comes-out-as-transgender

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4522667-More-on-Jamie-Wallis-MP

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4526097-the-logic-of-trans-activism-leads-to-surreal-debate-but-the-grown-ups-are-fighting-back-times-article

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4587802-subtle-change-in-language

This thread is one you started! www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4517663-Britains-First-Trans-MP-TW-references-rape-and-car-crash

for the record, someone could rock up here and plop down a similar opening post for any one of our UK parties and I could find similar dodgy pro trans stuff in all of them.

Trans activists targeted New Labour because Labour were in power at the time. If the Tories had been in government in the late 90s/early 2000s no doubt Press for Change would’ve s’whittled them into doing some sort of GRA as well, one that could’ve well been identical, or even perhaps worse.

That doesn’t change the historical fact that the shitty bit of legislation we are all still wrestling with the fall out from now was Labour’s shitty bit of legislation.

And yes, clearly we need to be on guard for even more shitty, anti woman legislation in future, regardless of who is in charge.

look at the surrogacy stuff coming down the pipeline, loads of European countries are completely outlawing it, but the Tories will probably want to let the markets have at it.

A photograph of someone, who may have or may have not been at the Conservative party conference, is apparently enough evidence that this political party hate women and wholeheartedly support trans rights.

Labour or Conservative in power, you still have the same civil service who have signed up to various Stonewall campaigns. The civil service hate women.