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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Subtle change in language

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JellySaurus · 11/07/2022 20:11

I find this subtle change in language used in the BBC reporting of Jamie Wallis's crash interesting.

"He identifies as he/him", rather than 'He uses he/him pronouns'.

The user of a pronoun is the person who is using them to refer to someone in speech. The only pronouns that JW uses to refer to himself are I/me.

Have the BBC finally recognised that the terminology 'uses' in this context emphasises the compelled quality of language around trans people?

Subtle change in language
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waterbabys · 11/07/2022 20:31

Would be good if that were the case but I think it'll just be the way the author has decided to write it

Conflictedunicorn · 11/07/2022 21:10

I’m confused. He is transgender, so a transwoman, uses he him pronouns, wears male clothing as per the photo and has made no changes to his appearance. How exactly is he trans?

Birdsweepsin · 11/07/2022 21:18

Because he says so

AlecTrevelyan006 · 11/07/2022 21:29

he has no interest in being a woman - he just wants to women's clothes for the thrill

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 11/07/2022 22:07

I think the issue from the BBC's point of view is that this is the wrong type of trans person. Doesn't fit the stunning, brave narrative, and therefore the Beeb is happy to signal he is not really trans.

bellinisurge · 11/07/2022 22:09

Another load of sunlight on this nonsense

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 11/07/2022 22:14

He bought has a diagnosis of gender dysphoria, therefore is trans. He could get a female birth certificate in a couple of years.

Sazzasez · 11/07/2022 22:36

Conflictedunicorn · 11/07/2022 21:10

I’m confused. He is transgender, so a transwoman, uses he him pronouns, wears male clothing as per the photo and has made no changes to his appearance. How exactly is he trans?

Cross-dressers are under Stonewall’s “trans umbrella”... along with everyone, pretty much.

LaughingPriest · 11/07/2022 22:46

Conflictedunicorn · 11/07/2022 21:10

I’m confused. He is transgender, so a transwoman, uses he him pronouns, wears male clothing as per the photo and has made no changes to his appearance. How exactly is he trans?

Not necessarily. You can be 'trans' and be one of the following: "transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois." (Stonewall).

I consider myself agender or genderless (if pushed about my gender), so I guess could be described as a trans woman, but due to people's opposition to clearly defining the words they use, it's all massively confused.

Most people think 'trans' means 'transsexual' but even the difference between that and transgender in the modern sense is completely throwing everyone. (I.e. transgender people don't necessarily want to 'change sex', it's all to do with a gender identity that has nothing to do with the biological sex of one's body).

eleanorwish · 11/07/2022 23:01

To be fair, he does appear to have grown his hair a bit.

GrimDamnFanjo · 12/07/2022 01:20

A cross dresser.
Old school transsexuals have my deepest sympathy.

oldwomanwhoruns · 12/07/2022 06:07

Hopefully, the 'but I'm Trans, gov' won't turn out to be the get-out-of-jail-free card that he thought it was going to be....

bellinisurge · 12/07/2022 07:05

@LaughingPriest , your post very succinctly explains why gender identity should be kept out of legal process.

KittenKong · 12/07/2022 08:23

Birdsweepsin · 11/07/2022 21:18

Because he says so

My reading is that he likes to wear ‘ladies clothes’. He was/is married and has fathered children. He refers to himself as a man.

He is an old fashioned cross dresser. We’ve had these for ever. Maybe he thought this was a way to wiggle out of court?

SirVixofVixHall · 12/07/2022 09:24

Conflictedunicorn · 11/07/2022 21:10

I’m confused. He is transgender, so a transwoman, uses he him pronouns, wears male clothing as per the photo and has made no changes to his appearance. How exactly is he trans?

See also Danielle Muscato.

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