Tory’s manipulation of women

[CaronPoivre]

All this nonsense that only the Tory’s know what a women is and you can’t vote Labour/Lib Dem/SNP because they don’t is just conscious and disingenuous manipulation of women voters, isn’t it? They say what people want to hear. Photo taken today at conference suggests they are also unclear about the rights of natal women but happy to get their votes by lying.
who is really more likely to support woman's rights, JRM or Angela Rayner? Johnson or Yvette Cooper?

It's sad that you think that women aren't intelligent enough to listen to what politicians say and make a judgement which political party will serve their most pressing concerns best, just because their conclusion is different from yours.
Back in the 70s I fought for equality and for womens opinions to be respected by men. I never thought 50 years later I'd have to be asking that of women instead.

I want women to pay attention to what politicians do. Especially the ones in power.

Deeds not words! The Tory party have shown by their past and present deeds that they don't give a shit about women's rights.

"The Tory party have shown by their past and present deeds that they don't give a shit about women's rights"

And neither do Labour MPs who declare that women have no right to female only refuges prisons etc

Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens have all vowed to introduce self id. The Tories stopped self id and abandoned the GRA reforms. So tell me again how a vote for labour is a vote for women's rights?

Angela Rayner was a huge fan of Lily Madigan. At best that makes Angela a very bad judge of character supporting someone who was involved in the Labour against transphobia group, which was essentially a witch hunt to force women out of the Labour Party.

Which Tory? Great that it is only one. You are aware that there may be more than one and that, unlike every other political party, official policy (what counts) is NOT TWAW?

alright let’s look at what politicians do then - what Labour do is stand by while Rose Duffield gets an endless stream of abuse. What Labour do is ban GC groups from having stands at their conference. What Labour do is call GC women “rights hoarding dinosaurs” (hello David lammy) if Labour were in power self ID would already be law

I have never voted for anyone other than Labour. I’ll never vote Tory but the idea that Labour are good for women (I mean how could we even tell when their definition of women is “adult human females plus men with womanly feels”, how would we measure policy success?) is fucking laughable

who is really more likely to support woman's rights, JRM or Angela Rayner? Johnson or Yvette Cooper?

Since neither Rayner nor Cooper seem to know what a woman is, it seems unlikely that either of them would be able to support women's rights.

Welcome to mumsnet CaronPoivre

Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and little pics with us women. We're thrilled that a political "thinker" like you found this little community of women to lecture. Where this board would be without our regular ploppers descending to correct our womanthink I cannot imagine? Without such turds of wisdom, few of us would be able to get out of the door, let alone work, parent, socialise or even vote without your directions. 😑

Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and little pics with us women.

For comparison with this one pic of an anonymous tory here is a whole thread of anti woman statements made by Labour MPs.

mobile.twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1442783035389325313

For goodness sake you have one badge and you don’t even know whether the guy is a Tory supporter anyway. Is the photo genuine? We know there was a bunch of labour activists heckling yesterday anyway. If you’re taken in by this sort of stuff you’re naive.

Who are you kidding? You know that Labour will push the culture wars further. It is who they are they are. The party of the minorities. They are full of hate politics and division. The tragedy is that there a not options for the next elections.

This.

And suggesting that women who agree are either bots or led astray by the Narsty Shadowy Right Wing really doesn't help the cause.

Adding gender identity isn't a problem

Unless you claim it replaces or trumps sex

In fact it actually gives an opportunity to make the differences clear

Labour put men in Women’s prisons while the Tories were in the electoral wilderness.

And in hospital wards. When he was health Secretary, Alan Johnson wrote policies saying that transpeople should be accommodated "according to their presentation: the way they dress, and the name and pronouns that they currently use". No need for surgery or a GRC.

This nonsense comes from the Left. The leader of the Labour Party cannot define a woman. Nuf said!

RIGHT 👏 WING 👏PEOPLE 👏ARE 👏PEOPLE

i’ve been called a Nazi so often, simply being accused of being manipulated into being right wing feels like a compliment

oh yes, and welcome to Mumsnet OP

top tip for more successful future attempts at —manipulating— directing the weak willed women of FWR: read a bit and post a bit first

we’re still unlikely to blindly follow your orders, but you might learn something in the process

It’s a pleasant treat to have been downgraded from Fascist to socially-conservative-might’ve-voted-for-brexit!

Except it's not One Tory MP. There are loads of them. Unsurprising since they are the party responsible for this shitshow.🤷‍♀️
Yes, maybe there are, maybe there aren't. Maybe some Labour MP's support gender-critical women, apart from Rosie Duddield. But you wouldn't know it, would you.
The bottom line is that Labour's stated policy, which they still believe in, is Self-id.

If everyone is so scared of what other parties will do once in power, they need to hold the Conservative's feet to the fire and get our rights to single sex spaces put into law now. Because the Tories are out in the next election.

You're really coming on these threads with your fingers in your ears saying 'can't hear you' toobig.

Because the Tories are out in the next election.

yes, urgency is definitely necessary.

And considering Labour are unlikely to retake Scotland, whatever happens in England at the next GE, we’ll still have the SNP throwing women’s rights away north of the border (and Labour in Wales have been as much of a part of the current gender explosion as Theresa May’s Tories)

Thanks for posting that twitter feed oldcrone. It's grown a lot since I last saw it, and it's a salutary read.

I'm never voting Tory again. Have never voted Labour and will never start. I'll either spoil my ballot or vote for a third party. Modern politics is vile.

CaronPoivre is only repeating what many have said over the past few years.

This did not start with the Gender Recognition Act; it started long before then with the group called Press For Change that was founded in the early 90s. One of their founder members was the Conservative transwoman Christine Burns. I'm quite sure the other founder members were from other parties and other political persuasions, but let's not kid ourselves that this all started on the Left because it didn't.

Under the Conservatives, Self-ID was proposed by a Conservative MP Maria Caulfield, after the Gender Recognition Act had been passed by Labour. It's been said often enough that the GRA was originally intended to accommodate a tiny number of transsexuals. So it was, until Maria and Stonewall decided to stir things up.

It was the Conservative PM Theresa May who appeared at the Pink News awards. It was under her Government that hate speech and transphobia were used as excuses to silence GC women.
David Davies MP was under considerable pressure from his own party for arranging a Women's Place meeting in the House of Commons. He was called a transphobe and out of kilter with the Conservative Party and, at that time, he most certainly was:
news.sky.com/story/tory-lgbt-group-brands-mp-david-tc-davies-transphobe-11226481

This is not a Left vs Right battle. It never was. There are LibDems, Greens and Labour members who are GC, just as there are LGBT+ groups in all the main parties, including Conservative, who support the self-id line. Conservatives still trying to make political capital out of it really need to understand that Boris Johnson wrecked that particular time bomb ages ago when he was trying to save himself and launched it prematurely at Keir Starmer. Thrown too early, it fizzled like a damp squib.