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Mermaids being investigated by the charity commission

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MajorieEks · 29/09/2022 16:22

“hoisted by their own petard” never seemed more apt, if true

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RedToothBrush · 04/10/2022 07:31

NotBadConsidering · 04/10/2022 04:13

The other question is, why him? Why was he given a trustee role in the first place? What did he bring to the board, what is his area of expertise? Who employed him? Who vetted him, or didn’t?

Either he approached Mermaids out of the blue saying 'here I am. I'm a random offering to be a trustee. I have no experience on paper with children. I'm an academic. Here is my cv.' And Mermaids looked at his CV and thought hey this guy is a good idea, we can't see any issues with a guy who studies sexuality being trustee of a children's charity and we aren't going to ask any further questions about him and why, despite having no experience with kids, he wants to be a trustee.

Or someone made an introduction and said he was a good choice and recommended him for the position.

Neither scenario is good. The latter, however, would suggest that a resignation is not enough.

Both scenarios merit an internal investigation. I hope to see a statement from mermaids not just merely saying they didn't know and abdicating responsibility for this guy's appointment. I suspect we will see more comments about a witchhunt rather than the necessary soul searching though.

Mermaids are thoroughly demonstrating why parents are concerned about the organisation and how its very poorly run and just is completely oblivious to issues which should be their first priority not an inconvenient afterthought.

Smilelesstalkmore · 04/10/2022 07:32

I know nothing about charities - how are trustees appointed and what is their role?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 04/10/2022 07:45

Trustees are responsible for setting the mission, vision & strategy of a charity, ensuring it complies with the charities act and all other laws that apply eg employment law if it has staff, ensuring the charity is solvent and ensuring it adheres to its charitable objectives as set out in its constitution. They also hold the CEO to account.

depending on the governing document trustees can be appointed in different ways but the most common ones are 1. There is a wide membership of individuals who vote for the trustees at the AGM (which must be held every year) or 2. The membership is limited to the board of trustees & they appoint new trustees as & when. In either scenario, good practice demands that you advertise trustee positions and go through a proper recruitment process.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 04/10/2022 07:46

I don't know all that much about charity law, but my impression is that trustees are unpaid, although they might get expenses, and it's not a role to take on lightly, as there are considerable responsibilities. Analogous to being school governors? In the recent Mermaids v LGBA case the Chair of Trustees from Mermaids was the person deputed to give evidence, not the CEO, which is Susie Green's role.

I make this observation every so often and it never seems to date. We live in a time when it's never been easier to find out all about an individual, if you know your way around the internet and have the will to do it. And yet, over and over again, people get appointed to high profile and/or sensitive positions and only then does it come out that there were lots of obvious red flags that should have been spotted during the recruitment phase. It's a PR disaster to have to sack someone or pressure them to resign in these circumstances, so why are these basic checks not automatic?

In this case, of course, it's not just embarrassing, it's an obvious sign that Mermaids hasn't a clue about safeguarding. It's a charity providing services for a particularly vulnerable group of children and adolescents, so this is incredibly concerning.

GrabbyGabby · 04/10/2022 07:50

I wish i could be more jubilant about this, but i can't. There are many many reasons to resist the gender movement, but the most pernicious risk, it being exploited by perverts for their own ends, has been so difficult to vocalise.

Everytime we point out what is happening is plain sight, in multiple places, we get told we are saying all trans people are predators, called prudes, neo Whitehouses. People are actively choosing not to hear us. I am not sure even Mermaids going up in smoke will shift this. We will be blamed as big meany TERFS, and the pervs and predators will just learn, move on and be a bit smarter next time. And kids will be continue to be damaged on the holy altar of queer theory.

Whatwouldscullydo · 04/10/2022 08:00

GrabbyGabby · 04/10/2022 07:50

I wish i could be more jubilant about this, but i can't. There are many many reasons to resist the gender movement, but the most pernicious risk, it being exploited by perverts for their own ends, has been so difficult to vocalise.

Everytime we point out what is happening is plain sight, in multiple places, we get told we are saying all trans people are predators, called prudes, neo Whitehouses. People are actively choosing not to hear us. I am not sure even Mermaids going up in smoke will shift this. We will be blamed as big meany TERFS, and the pervs and predators will just learn, move on and be a bit smarter next time. And kids will be continue to be damaged on the holy altar of queer theory.

Yes. The AC debacle proved just that. Even when they were found to he incompetent re safguarding and easy deemed to not understand it, not one organisation with policies that AC contributed to ( they were on the advisory board of SW at one point ) changed anything. Even a husband openly talking about being map on twitter and a father who is in prison for 22 years and 90 pages calling you incompetent is not enough to exclude you from police sergents openly endorsing you and your work with young people and political parties welcoming you with open arms. 🙄

We remain the bad guys for asking wtf

picklemewalnuts · 04/10/2022 08:05

So many issues

The trustee turnover- did they leave because of concerns, yet FAIL TO TAKE THOSE CONCERNS TO THE AUTHORITIES?

That quote about the shoe... presumably meant that just as the shoe is an unthinkable sexual object to the non fetishist (so both shoe and fetisheur need investigation to understand it), then so is the child. But that pathologises the 'minor attracted person' which I thought they were trying to move away from.

Even the most innocent explanation doesn't work.

I don't mind exploring the unthinkable. But that's not the same as accepting the unthinkable. There are some things that cannot be said without a big, fuck off disclaimer alongside them. Even as an intellectual experiment.

Clymene · 04/10/2022 08:06

I'm a bit more optimistic @GrabbyGabby

We've been saying for years that children who are gender nonconforming are just as deserving of protection and safeguarding as children who aren't questioning their gender.

The original mermaids recognised that there can be many reasons for this, including trauma. And that many children would turn out to be gay or lesbian.

I do believe that many parents do actually want the best for their children and contacted mermaids in good faith. They have been very badly let down. No one is going to want to send their child to an organisation which has a paedophile apologist as one of its (few) trustees. A lot of them are going to be really angry at the organisations and high profile individuals that failed to do any due diligence at all.

Mermaids being investigated by the charity commission
RedToothBrush · 04/10/2022 08:09

NotBadConsidering · 04/10/2022 07:21

It feels like anything to do with the "trans rights movement" is only one or two clicks/ people/ papers/ articles/ tweets from extreme sexual fetishes and child abuse

It's a chicken/egg situation.

Are paedophiles and CSA fetishists hanging around trans activism because they’ve seen TRAs and gender doctors creating a cohort of adults who have childlike bodies and are exploiting that?

Or have TRAs and gender doctors gone down the route of creating adults with childlike bodies because of the malign influence of paedophiles and CSA fetishists?

I think the issue with pride becoming a fetish parade doesn't help. So many lgb people have wanted to merely be treated as normal and not viewed as having sexually extreme behaviour.

Yet 'being free to be yourself' and not hide your sexuality has been taken to that next level where you have people on parade who make a point of showing off their kink even when it's really not appropriate in front of a family audience.

Meanwhile families have been conditioned to think its trendy and the height of being inclusive cos its lgbt and has rainbow colours.

Put those people who do not understand the line of where its inappropriate in a room with vulnerable children and remove the adults who have parental responsibility, and what do you think will happen?

Anyone who questions the wisdom of this is tarred with the brush of homophobia and not being inclusive. That's force teaming that seems to have predated the force teaming of the t with the lgb.

There is a legitimate question here about inappropriate overt sexualised behaviour in a public arena around children. What happens at a pride march, if it happened anywhere else would raise question marks over its adult content. Yet families and children are actively encouraged to attend and support without question.

This isnt being prudish to raise the question of why is it ok to dress and perform for pride in this way and not OK for a bog standard 2nd Sunday in the month where minors are not just present, but encouraged.

Its difficult to challenge and ask questions about appropriate behaviour, because of this angle about being too conservative (small c) and not 'progressive' enough where this seems to mean in practice pushing the boundaries of socially acceptability of sexuality.

It strikes me, that the legitimate push from the lgb movement to push their cause about being socially accepted has long been highjacked by a smaller group who want to see just how far they can push it and are hiding in a trojan horse for their own agendas which perhaps aren't in the best interests of the wider lgb movement and aren't representative of the movement.

It kind of best demonstrated in the idea that you can't have a socially or politically conservative (both small and big c) gay or lesbian. They are regarded as 'belonging' to the left - in a similar fashion to the row about Huq and Kwantang and the superficial Black man. Plurality of thought and self expression is not only shunned but actively not only suppressed but attempts are made to crush.

In this context the attempt of Mermaids to shut down the LGB Alliance, starts to become even more sinister. Its a battle for control of whole movement and force it to continual push sexual boundaries regardless of the consensus of society.

Eventually in such a battle you are going to reach a point where consensus isn't possible through agreement it can only be forced by silencing and coercion. I think more widely this is what we are seeing, with a section of the LBG community actively realising this and being part of the pushback. It isn't purely about the T and the inherent sexism / homophobia / racism of the TRA movement. Its also part of a wider issue over public sexual displays and performance that has tacked onto the LBG movement - and often is lead by heterosexuals.

Unpicking this is getting increasingly difficult because of the trans stuff. That's not transphobic to point any of this out.

It will always come back to the point about 1 or 2 clicks away because it's not an accident unfortunately.

Lots of groups and individuals have got caught up unwittingly in this. They are well intentioned and meaning. They aren't looking for concerns as a result. That doesn't mean the concerns aren't there. It's a state of utter naivety.

Why are women seeing it first? Because women can not afford to be naive or have been naive in the past and have been harmed by it, in far larger numbers. And because women don't tend to gain anything from increased sexualised behaviour. It's a men's rights movement.

The whole thing sucks. There is no nuisance. There are massive elements of the need to control the whole movement and make it a single political identity and cannon where you must fully sign up to the tenants of belief.

Smilelesstalkmore · 04/10/2022 08:10

That's interesting that the original Mermaids said that - that would be 'extreme transphobia' these days wouldn't it?

TheElementsSong · 04/10/2022 08:14

Good post, RTB!

NotBadConsidering · 04/10/2022 08:18

In this context the attempt of Mermaids to shut down the LGB Alliance, starts to become even more sinister. Its a battle for control of whole movement and force it to continual push sexual boundaries regardless of the consensus of society.

Wouldn’t it be interesting to know which trustee(s) motioned for this to happen at their board meeting…

FannyCann · 04/10/2022 08:26

Can anyone tell me how the Mermaids/LGBA court case is viable with Mermaids under investigation by the Charity Commission?
Is it going to go on as currently scheduled?
Can the judge just sling it out? It seems even more bizarre than it was in the first place under current circumstances.

ImherewithBoudica · 04/10/2022 08:31

Anyone who questions the wisdom of this is tarred with the brush of homophobia and not being inclusive.

Including homosexual people saying 'look, we spent bloody YEARS trying to help the general public understand that we had the exact same social morals and sense of responsibility and care for others as hetero people, we're not sexual weirdos who want to be inappropriate and involve non consenting others, that is not normal behaviour to homosexuals'.

And then along came this movement which tries hard to push that breaking other people's boundaries, involving non consenting others and any sexual behaviours at all are just a normal part of being LGB (and everything else tacked on behind them.)

They were not kidding when they talked about 'queering everything' and had all the links with anarchist groups. The conclusion you are left to draw is that this would appear to be a political movement focused on social inappropriacy, boundary breaking on principle and non consenting exploitation of... well. As in the quote above, whatever the individual happens to feel like in the moment. It's not a view point of the socially well adjusted or with a grip on responsibility. Because no one from this lobby is standing up to say otherwise or separate themselves.

The hypocrisy of all the accusations and wailing about someone from x group stood x feet from posie so by association you're all fascists and evil.... you must separate yourselves immediately from this contamination. And yet no effort at all or interest in separating this political movement from this behaviour.

I also note: when child safeguarding major issues are raised - it's 'hate'. A 'targeted attack'. Never any interest in the child or the safeguarding, never 'right, thanks for pointing that out, we're on it as a responsible group' - it's just 'hate'.

One is left with the only conclusion being that 'hate' = any perceived 'no'. Like a thwarted, spoiled child.

ResisterRex · 04/10/2022 08:42

I'm puzzled as to why LSE have had nothing to say. He still seems to be there:

www.lse.ac.uk/gender/people-profiles/faculty/jacob-breslow

MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/10/2022 08:50

RedToothBrush · 04/10/2022 08:09

I think the issue with pride becoming a fetish parade doesn't help. So many lgb people have wanted to merely be treated as normal and not viewed as having sexually extreme behaviour.

Yet 'being free to be yourself' and not hide your sexuality has been taken to that next level where you have people on parade who make a point of showing off their kink even when it's really not appropriate in front of a family audience.

Meanwhile families have been conditioned to think its trendy and the height of being inclusive cos its lgbt and has rainbow colours.

Put those people who do not understand the line of where its inappropriate in a room with vulnerable children and remove the adults who have parental responsibility, and what do you think will happen?

Anyone who questions the wisdom of this is tarred with the brush of homophobia and not being inclusive. That's force teaming that seems to have predated the force teaming of the t with the lgb.

There is a legitimate question here about inappropriate overt sexualised behaviour in a public arena around children. What happens at a pride march, if it happened anywhere else would raise question marks over its adult content. Yet families and children are actively encouraged to attend and support without question.

This isnt being prudish to raise the question of why is it ok to dress and perform for pride in this way and not OK for a bog standard 2nd Sunday in the month where minors are not just present, but encouraged.

Its difficult to challenge and ask questions about appropriate behaviour, because of this angle about being too conservative (small c) and not 'progressive' enough where this seems to mean in practice pushing the boundaries of socially acceptability of sexuality.

It strikes me, that the legitimate push from the lgb movement to push their cause about being socially accepted has long been highjacked by a smaller group who want to see just how far they can push it and are hiding in a trojan horse for their own agendas which perhaps aren't in the best interests of the wider lgb movement and aren't representative of the movement.

It kind of best demonstrated in the idea that you can't have a socially or politically conservative (both small and big c) gay or lesbian. They are regarded as 'belonging' to the left - in a similar fashion to the row about Huq and Kwantang and the superficial Black man. Plurality of thought and self expression is not only shunned but actively not only suppressed but attempts are made to crush.

In this context the attempt of Mermaids to shut down the LGB Alliance, starts to become even more sinister. Its a battle for control of whole movement and force it to continual push sexual boundaries regardless of the consensus of society.

Eventually in such a battle you are going to reach a point where consensus isn't possible through agreement it can only be forced by silencing and coercion. I think more widely this is what we are seeing, with a section of the LBG community actively realising this and being part of the pushback. It isn't purely about the T and the inherent sexism / homophobia / racism of the TRA movement. Its also part of a wider issue over public sexual displays and performance that has tacked onto the LBG movement - and often is lead by heterosexuals.

Unpicking this is getting increasingly difficult because of the trans stuff. That's not transphobic to point any of this out.

It will always come back to the point about 1 or 2 clicks away because it's not an accident unfortunately.

Lots of groups and individuals have got caught up unwittingly in this. They are well intentioned and meaning. They aren't looking for concerns as a result. That doesn't mean the concerns aren't there. It's a state of utter naivety.

Why are women seeing it first? Because women can not afford to be naive or have been naive in the past and have been harmed by it, in far larger numbers. And because women don't tend to gain anything from increased sexualised behaviour. It's a men's rights movement.

The whole thing sucks. There is no nuisance. There are massive elements of the need to control the whole movement and make it a single political identity and cannon where you must fully sign up to the tenants of belief.

An outstanding nuanced post. Thank you

Clymene · 04/10/2022 08:58

Great post RTB

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 04/10/2022 09:05

@ImherewithBoudica, excellent points.

nauticant · 04/10/2022 09:09

In the recent Mermaids v LGBA case the Chair of Trustees from Mermaids was the person deputed to give evidence, not the CEO, which is Susie Green's role.

I understood things differently. Witnesses for Mermaids were determined by those who had been selected by Mermaids to give sworn statements. Because Mermaids did not select Susie Green to give a sworn statement, she wasn't going to be a witness. The question is: did someone senior in Mermaids decide that it would be best for Susie Green not to be subject to cross-examination and therefore not to select her to give a sworn statement?

I assume that a sworn statement can be given and that witness can then refuse to give oral evidence in court but that would undermine their sworn statement.

Moonatics · 04/10/2022 09:20

TheBiologyStupid · 03/10/2022 21:33

Breslow's WordPress site has been archived, too:

A non sequitur is a bewildering statement that does not logically follow from a previous statement or question. Here, I theorise it as an intentionally disruptive grammatical and political tactic. When gender critical activists claim, for example, that they are allegedly being ‘harassed’ or ‘discriminated against’ simply because they have said that ‘sex is real’, this discursive sleight of hand operates as a non sequitur. Not only is it said without the speaker acknowledging their own histories of transphobic speech and actions beyond this claim, or without regard for the multiple transfeminist genealogies of thought that have given meaning to ’sex’; but it also bears no relation to what is at stake in forging a transfeminist future or present. In line with the logics of the non sequitur, this response breaks from the pertinent questions at hand.

web.archive.org/web/20221003162012/drjacobbreslow.wordpress.com/news/

Yeah, right...!

This just says be quiet women.
I know I could be a writer, at least I wouldn't use 140 words when it could be said in 6 and that's just the bit in bold.

ArabellaScott · 04/10/2022 09:32

'Mermaids said that it was unaware of his historic appearance at the conference until contacted by this newspaper'

Right. He wrote a book on 'Ambivalent Childhoods' - which explores 'the queer life of children’s desires'. And they had no idea.

LunaLights · 04/10/2022 09:39

Trustee of the transgender charity Mermaids quits after speech to paedophile aid group

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/990e9e88-434f-11ed-8885-043c27446b97?shareToken=aca137a7294d7bff7a40891e0760dc91

Rainbowshit · 04/10/2022 09:40

This is horrifying!

Mermaids need to be shut down.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 04/10/2022 09:44

as always the question is how has this charity managed to convince so many otherwise sane & sensible people that it is a well governed organisation with robust processes and practice

mermaids has been handed hundreds of thousands of pounds while other charities that do have sound and solid governance and processes have been turned away because they aren’t the current cause célebre

funders really really need to ask themselves how this has happened

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