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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

DfE settles in Cornwall case

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ResisterRex · 24/09/2022 07:29

In The Times:

Parents force review of school trans guidance

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/79e44c92-3b52-11ed-a8ae-d2d57cd0511a?shareToken=0d2f7731ea5f88a5b2a41c3ab900d401

"Ministers are to review contentious guidelines on how schools should deal with gender identity after settling a court case with parents who had been accused of being transphobic.

...

The couple have now won £22,000 in legal costs after the department relented in the face of a judicial review of its decision not to support the parents in their battle with the school.

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The Rowes highlighted to the education department what they said was expert evidence that revealed how “trans-affirming policies” allegedly can lead to “catastrophic outcomes”. But they claimed that Whitehall officials “refused to properly assess this evidence” and rejected the Rowes’ complaint.

At the High Court in February, Lord Justice Lane granted the parents permission to bring a full judicial review of the department’s decision. But lawyers for the department have now settled the case and paid the Rowes £22,000."

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ArabellaScott · 26/09/2022 12:27

Thanks, Bluebell. Helpful to hear from a barrister with clear, sensible advice.

'a staple too short to penetrate the full thickness of the bundle.'

Evocative. And somehow metaphorical, I feel.

TheClogLady · 26/09/2022 12:38

RobinMoiraWhite · 26/09/2022 11:45

The bundles I had no involvement in producing?

Your point was?

That the bundles for the high profile case you worked on were so notoriously shambolic that they’ve gone down in Mumsnet lore.

it’s very unbecoming to repeatedly shift blame to less prominent team members - you are a self-styled, book writing ‘expert’ on transgender law who gives commentary to both specialist and general publications so of course you will attract some flak for the failures of the faceless members of your team. That’s what comes of the media profile you’ve courted.

The gracious thing to do would be to say ‘WE’LL do better next time’ rather than ‘THEY did it! Not me!’.

It’s awfully reminiscent of a toddler demanding a cutted up pear.

IcakethereforeIam · 26/09/2022 12:46

It's very aggravating to feel you're constantly accused of something you're not guilty of. You should discuss it over a cup of tea with JKR.

RobinMoiraWhite · 26/09/2022 12:59

TheClogLady · 26/09/2022 12:38

That the bundles for the high profile case you worked on were so notoriously shambolic that they’ve gone down in Mumsnet lore.

it’s very unbecoming to repeatedly shift blame to less prominent team members - you are a self-styled, book writing ‘expert’ on transgender law who gives commentary to both specialist and general publications so of course you will attract some flak for the failures of the faceless members of your team. That’s what comes of the media profile you’ve courted.

The gracious thing to do would be to say ‘WE’LL do better next time’ rather than ‘THEY did it! Not me!’.

It’s awfully reminiscent of a toddler demanding a cutted up pear.

Sigh!

Read the judgment. Look at para 20. A great deal of effort was put in by those I worked with.

And I prefer my pears poached.

Birdsweepsin · 26/09/2022 13:05

To poach. Trespass with intent to steal, Appropriate as ones own. Yep.

TheClogLady · 26/09/2022 13:36

Birdsweepsin · 26/09/2022 13:05

To poach. Trespass with intent to steal, Appropriate as ones own. Yep.

😃

LaughingPriest · 26/09/2022 15:44

But‘Mumsnet’ is no longer a suitable space for mature discussion as is is shown by the last few posts.

Ah yes, any handful of posts is completely representive of an entire forum consisting of tens of thousands of people. Of course.

I've kept out of this discussion because my opinion of RMW is formed in part by one of their posts that had to be deleted some time ago and I don't really want to bring it up again but it's not an area where I wish to direct my energies.

TheClogLady · 26/09/2022 16:07

“Where the hand of tyranny is long we do not see the lips of men open with laughter.”
— Saadi

“Laughter takes the tyranny of the lies we are told and told and told and it blows them apart.”
— Kate Clinton

“Laugh at tyrants and the tragedy they inflict. Such men welcome our tears as evidence of subservience, but our laughter condemns them to ignominy”
– Dean Koontz

“Laughter is something we have against oppression and oppressive people. Dictators hate people who laugh at them. It's easy for them to destroy people who resist them. But if you create jokes against them, write funny poems or articles against them, then they feel helpless and desperate. They can't do anything.”
– Burhan Sonmez

“[Humanity] has unquestionably one really effective weapon - laughter.

Power, money, persuasion, supplication, persecution - these can lift at a colossal humbug, push it a little, weaken it a little, century by century…
but only laughter can blow it to rags and atoms at a blast.

Against the assault of laughter nothing can stand.”
– Mark Twain

LunaLights · 26/09/2022 16:21

Birdsweepsin · 26/09/2022 13:05

To poach. Trespass with intent to steal, Appropriate as ones own. Yep.

🤣🤣🤣
You have to love a dictionary definition….

Norma27 · 27/09/2022 07:49

LunaLights · 26/09/2022 16:21

🤣🤣🤣
You have to love a dictionary definition….

Brilliant 🤣🤣

Navypoppy · 29/09/2022 18:04

On DfE, it’s a shit place to work if you are gender critical. You could say you’re just a corpse, such is the level of institutional capture.

It’s considered transphobic even to mention that some people don’t have a gender identity. The LGBT+ network is all about self id, so there is no safe space for same sex attracted people. And of course the LGBT+ network is consulted on the D&I policy, so those excluded by that are voiceless.

What chance is there that this complaint was treated fairly? I’d guess next to none.

If I were this couple, I’d do a subject access request to find out if there are any internal emails dismissing me as a transphobe.

It’s all #bekind but only to those who rightthink.

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