DfE settles in Cornwall case

[ResisterRex]

In The Times:

Parents force review of school trans guidance

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/79e44c92-3b52-11ed-a8ae-d2d57cd0511a?shareToken=0d2f7731ea5f88a5b2a41c3ab900d401

"Ministers are to review contentious guidelines on how schools should deal with gender identity after settling a court case with parents who had been accused of being transphobic.

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The couple have now won £22,000 in legal costs after the department relented in the face of a judicial review of its decision not to support the parents in their battle with the school.

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The Rowes highlighted to the education department what they said was expert evidence that revealed how “trans-affirming policies” allegedly can lead to “catastrophic outcomes”. But they claimed that Whitehall officials “refused to properly assess this evidence” and rejected the Rowes’ complaint.

At the High Court in February, Lord Justice Lane granted the parents permission to bring a full judicial review of the department’s decision. But lawyers for the department have now settled the case and paid the Rowes £22,000."

By all means, since you have asked.

The Bar Standards Board dismissed the multiple complaints at the ‘sifting’ stage (without consulting me). Presumably because correcting a factual inaccuracy is not a breach of any part of the Bar Code of Conduct.

Was this where you turned up on the thread where a victim of rape was discussing their legal case where they have been discriminated against and denied appropriate support - where you are representing those denying her support? Do you think atempting to intimidate the opposing party like that, especially a vulnerable rape victim, is ethical behaviour?

Once again Robin Moira White has responded directly to a post containing these questions, without answering them.

Thanks to them for the interesting insight behind the scenes of the Bar Standards Board, though.

Why are we paying heed to someone who was given an entire article to explain what they believe a woman is and still couldn't manage it?

Tell you what, it'd be convenient if online papers like the Times could manage to link to the documents they're describing - whether it's scientific studies or written judgments. I always prefer to go back to the source as well as reading commentary.

@RobinMoiraWhite you mean bullying a victim on these boards when you are involved in that case. Absolute shame on the BSB if they didn’t severely reprimand them. Especially as it’s not the first time you have intimidated women in cases you are involved in.,
Anyway, going to answer my other questions yet? I’d be interested in your response.
To make it easier I’ll ask again:
is it ok for parents/schools to trans children as young as 6?
a different case, but in your opinion is it acceptable for a male teacher to teach students whilst he is wearing gigantic prosthetic breasts? You cannot fail to have seen it on twitter, and if you haven’t seen then a quick search will show you.

Is there a specific review into the grim Cornwall guidelines Robin or is it part of the unpicking of the excessive lobby group influence on education?
To be fair, the Cornwall guidelines are marginally better than most of the guidelines with contributions from education experts and those with safeguarding training evident. Quite different to the remainder where trans activists and those adults with a special interest in ensuring that vulnerable children / adolescents are transitioned have been able to influence education practice despite their evident lack of qualifications and expertise in child and adolescent development, safeguarding, education and pastoral care in schools.

Oh, here we go again.

This is the Isle of Wight case that there was some publicity about quite a while ago - I'd forgotten all about it. It's about a Christian couple and a Church of England primary school - you couldn't make it up - although someone did make up the guidelines, obviously.

"The couple’s legal action was initially prompted in 2017 after they raised concerns when two biological males in their sons’ classes were allowed to come to the Isle of Wight school identifying as girls. Both of their sons were aged six at the time.

The school gave the Rowes, who are devout Christians, an “accept it or leave” ultimatum after they were told that one of their sons would be demonstrating “transphobic behaviour” if he showed an “inability to believe a transgender person is actually a real female or male”.

The Rowes highlighted to the education department what they said was expert evidence that revealed how “trans-affirming policies” allegedly can lead to “catastrophic outcomes”. But they claimed that Whitehall officials “refused to properly assess this evidence” and rejected the Rowes’ complaint."

And for the poster who urged caution about The Times, note that the article is by Jonathan Ames, the Legal Editor, so it's not as if it is written by some work experience youngster, rather than a seasoned senior legal journalist who knows a thing or two.

'As this is a Times report, it needs to be read with some caution' - lol, @RobinMoiraWhite you call yourself 'female barrister'. I do read everything you say with caution. Including calls for removing black, female head of EHRC and attacks on Helen Joyce.

The wind, it is a-changing, our ploppy friend, the EHRC are working on new statutory guidelines, just like DfE, and then where will your already discredited book/career be?

Ploppy friend 😂

Another one in the confused Ross from Friends camp here….

You mean this book, LK?

If the objective of the book was to increase understanding of the law in this area, it must be judged an abject failure. Even a reader with little prior knowledge will be struck by the regularity with which the authors simply give up on the task of analysis [...] If a pair of guides on a difficult mountain path were as consistently flummoxed as the authors of this book, their clients would be saying their prayers. In truth, there is little of either guidance or practical utility in White and Newbegin’s “practical guide”.

www.legalfeminist.org.uk/2021/09/02/a-practical-guide/

I'm so tired of people coming onto Mumsnet to mansplain things they appear to have little or no understanding of.

I wonder what trans guidance is left in schools or counties. Hopefully seeing every single one out the door will be a huge success.

That's the one @TheBiologyStupid. More revisions due soon - oh well, something to do I suppose. Might leave RMW less time to lecture women here, what shall we do?

i just got a sudden flashback of the single issue poster who showed up during the AB court case for the sole purpose of telling us barristers don’t do bundles.

It isn't fair, but I know who I think of when I think of bungled bundles. Oh well, truth still lacing it's boots, perhaps.

Quite

Which is why, despite the gratuitous unpleasantness above, including posts which breach Mumsnet’s generous guidelines, expect me, when I am able to post, to correct misinformation.

it is hard to view this gratuitous unpleasantness as other than prejudice based on gender identity.

A perfect example of the gratuitous unpleasantness and comment arising from gender identity prejudice referenced in my previous post.

The suggestion, presumably, is that during the trial I created a sock Mumsnet account to make this comment.

Well, I didn’t. Mumsnet HQ can, presumably, confirm if required that I have only ever had one account and have only ever posted in my own name. Like what I have to say or not, I always say it as me.

You might care to examine your reasons for such prejudicial speculation. I trust they make you uncomfortable.

Its also pretty disrespectful to the Mumsnetter, unknown to me, whoever they were, who posted the (accurate) comment and the prejudice bandwagon rolled on over.

@RobinMoiraWhite DARVO.
You love to play the victim don’t you? When the facts are you come on here to scold and bully women who will not bow down to your ideology. The women on this board are not scared of you and will stand up to you.
Tough. The sooner this nonsense is out if schools the better.

And you still did not answer my questions. That gives me my answer in itself. You are shining more light on this ideology and the damage it is causing to women and children. The more light the better in my opinion.

RobinMoiraWhite you think the phrase "oh here we go again" is disrespectful? Do you think it would be wrong to use the phrase in relation to, say, a vulnerable witness explaining her trauma in a court case?

I expect the poster who commented about bundle protocols was a legal professional who usually just lurks but couldn't resist correcting a mistake about an issue within her sphere of expertise.

I am not interested in Bundlegate but am very interested that DfE has settled this case, presumably following legal advice that they would probably lose it. Encouraging

Hahaha! Look forward to Robbo correcting all the other bullshit that gets regularly plopped here, seeing as you’re so keen on THE TROOF.

Anyway, I’ve talked enough about you on a thread that ain’t about you.