Carly-May Kavanagh

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There are rumours circulating on Twitter that Carly-May Kavanagh (the one who screams at babies: Daily Mail) has, despite her “apology” been suspended from the Labour Party. Presumably such a suspension would have an impact on her job as Lloyd Russell-Moyle‘s head of policy?

Apparently if she is suspended it [probably] won’t be made public. Given the reason for her [potential] suspension; if Labour actually do take action, you’d think they’d want to reassure people that they expect their members to uphold certain standards. I mean, “not screaming abuse at infants” is less upholding a standard than it is failing to trip over pebbles of basic decency…

Clearly one cannot put too much weight into Random Person Says Unevidenced Thing. However, it would be a foolish rumour to start without cause, so I thought it was worth starting a thread here to see if there are developments to follow.

Should Kavanagh face consequences for her behaviour it will be a watershed moment: Labour acknowledging women have rights all their own, including the rights to assemble & to speak on issues of concern to them, such as their need for single sex provisions.

They were videos and screen shots which aren't subjective

"Not subjective" in the same way as your bizarre interpretation of that Andy Ngo clip, you mean?

Even worse, all these misdirected accusations of racism make it more difficult to identify actual racism and to effectively tackle it.

whilst increasing tempers and widening divisions.

it’s proper bad shit.

Yes her emotional response is understandable but totally unjustifiable.

No. it is absolutely not understandable in any way to targetly scream at a baby or that close to a baby. Sorry. She can be understandably fired up and passionately yelling but not directly at people and not in the way she did.

Any feminist who doesn't hero worship Posie Parker including Julie Bindel and Kathleen stock are disgusting.

Absolutist fuckwittery here.

I'm happy to call Andy Ngo a centre right racist if that helps.

I'd be even happier if you could provide some evidence that he's racist before you start throwing that slur at him, Sapphos.

@MalagaNights yes agreed.

I do think CMK will have that realisation of 'are we the baddies'? TRAs in Brighton are completely toxic and she will see it at some point.

I don't think the activism of Posie Parker will ever reach her but there is potential for left wing, socialist feminism to.

That's why it's important to have groups like the Brighton Resisters which is very separate from SFW activism and very lefty.

I was quoting the now deleted post from YouSirNeighMmmm

Had she? Had Kathleen Stock had another view of KJK publicly in the past?

Of course their interpretation is subjective. You admitted you interpreted her being homophobic (because your friend clipped the video to that point) because you didn’t look further. You didn’t go… oh. Hang on, what did she say?

That was subjectively a very fucked up interpretation that your mate made based on their own prejudice.

She's a complete idiot for shouting at the baby but I can understand why the presence of racists may have upset her, hence why I feel a bit sorry for her.

CMK was only shouting about trans iirc, I'm happy to be corrected. Did she know Ngo was there, has she even heard of him and is Ngo a racist anyway? I don't know anything about him and I'm not really interested either. Or are you talking about the actual verifiable racists on the TRA side, the one who threw glitter in a black woman's hair for example, or maybe the one with a history of virulent antisemitism who was carried off by police? If so, lie down with dogs and you get fleas. The racists were her friends, not Posie Parker's.

That's why it's important to have groups like the Brighton Resisters which is very separate from SFW activism and very lefty.

And that can be done without vilifying Kellie Jay Keen, and without spreading falsehoods or making ludicrous claims. Do you agree?

That's why it's important to have groups like the Brighton Resisters which is very separate from SFW activism and very lefty.

Yes it's important to have lots of different groups and approaches. But no need to viciously attack other women. Just do you.

I don't think the activism of Posie Parker will ever reach her but there is potential for left wing, socialist feminism to.

I’m genuinely intrigued how this would work. How does a full-on TRA who believes that TW are literally W suddenly decide that isn’t the case after all? I mean I’ve changed my mind on quite a lot since I started following this debate but my belief in biological sex has remained constant. I guess we’ve got reality on our side that must help.

This was Kathleen Stock's view a few years ago.

I don't believe I have viciously attacked or vilified KJK at all on this thread or indeed ever.

Not agreeing with a person's tactics is not viciously attacking them.

I still went to her event!

I can tell you how it happened for me but that's a whole other thread.

I think it's fine and good to have different women's groups coming at this from different standpoints and choosing not to work together because of their differences.

It's just the mud slinging aspect that's distasteful, assuming other people are bad rather than just think differently.

Women should just give each other the benefit of the doubt a bit more.

No. But your mate has. And other prominent feminists have.

No. it is absolutely not understandable in any way to targetly scream at a baby or that close to a baby. Sorry. She can be understandably fired up and passionately yelling but not directly at people and not in the way she did.

This is all getting silly.

CMK acted like a twat and she's paying the price. But she didn't harm the baby or anyone else.
Some people on here want to make this small gross incident into a horrific assault. It wasn't.

I've never shouted at people in public or called a baby or anyone else a fascist, but I can at least imagine the self righteous state of beleiving that I'm in the presence of real evil fascists that might in the moment lead me to act in a way I later regretted.

Maybe I just have a good imagination or maybe I'm just aware of my potential for being a twat but I can understand how it happened.

Going back to a slightly earlier point, the idea that anyone who votes Labour = good vs anyone who votes Tory = bad is a ridiculously simplistic one.

It's wrong too. Everyone who votes Labour is antisemitic and therefore a racist. Fascinating that the Labour Party and its supporters should have so much in common with the Nazis given that they were quite impressed with Stalin back in the day.

I recently found out an old acquaintance has been sent to prison for historical sexual offences against children, presumably I'm paedophile adjacent.

Am I doing "guilt by associating" right?

It's tedious and fucking childish. Quite honestly I can understand why Posie doesn't describe herself as a feminist, I feel like handing in my feminist card before it's revoked for failing the lefty purity test.

I refuse to prioritise a political affiliation over the fight to retain "woman" as a legally meaningful class. I'm starting to wonder if feminist loyalty to the left and ordinary women's awe of the terribly clever feminist experts has held the women's movement back. Unfortunately it's some of the terribly clever feminists who brought us gender ideology.

If the self appointed bosses of feminism force women to make a choice they may be surprised by the outcome.

If the self appointed bosses of feminism force women to make a choice they may be surprised by the outcome.

Surely choosing either SFW or socialist feminism is better than forced teaming?

The ideologies are so fundamentally different that it makes sense to pick a side.

Oh and MalagaNights I totally agree, but maybe that's because I also have the potential to make a twat of myself.

but I can at least imagine the self righteous state of beleiving that I'm in the presence of real evil fascists

This was a 7 month old baby she was calling a fascist. It's not normal behaviour even for these idiots, which is why she's in so much trouble, including with them for the optics she's provided.

The ideologies are so fundamentally different that it makes sense to pick a side.

I don't see any need to pick a "side", personally. That's what being centrist is.

Ah @SapphosRock we probably disagree with a lot politically but we've united on the discovery of our shared humanity of the potential to be a twat 😁.