Carly-May Kavanagh

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There are rumours circulating on Twitter that Carly-May Kavanagh (the one who screams at babies: Daily Mail) has, despite her “apology” been suspended from the Labour Party. Presumably such a suspension would have an impact on her job as Lloyd Russell-Moyle‘s head of policy?

Apparently if she is suspended it [probably] won’t be made public. Given the reason for her [potential] suspension; if Labour actually do take action, you’d think they’d want to reassure people that they expect their members to uphold certain standards. I mean, “not screaming abuse at infants” is less upholding a standard than it is failing to trip over pebbles of basic decency…

Clearly one cannot put too much weight into Random Person Says Unevidenced Thing. However, it would be a foolish rumour to start without cause, so I thought it was worth starting a thread here to see if there are developments to follow.

Should Kavanagh face consequences for her behaviour it will be a watershed moment: Labour acknowledging women have rights all their own, including the rights to assemble & to speak on issues of concern to them, such as their need for single sex provisions.

I called Andy Ngo a high profile person on the far right because that's what he is.

In what way? How is he "far right", rather than just "right"?

KMC isn’t an ignorant child - CMK!

Probe!!!

I don’t want any probes

id prefer proof

KMC isn’t an ignorant child - CMK

im having more coffee….☕️

its decaf though…I don’t know if that has a lesser effect, it would explain a lot if it does

Piers Morgan

Yeah? I would probably not put Piers Morgan in as centre anything. He would be right on the edge of ‘centre’ if he was. I could be wrong though.

I'm not interested in your perception of Piers Morgan, Sappho, I'm interested in your evidence that Andy Ngo is "far right". Is it because he is a right wing American?

On the lazy overuse of "fascist" etc., Andrew Doyle writes in Chapter 7 his latest book, The New Puritans:

In addition to calls for censorship, language can be manipulated through what is known as ‘concept creep’, by which words lose any meaning through endless misapplication. The most disturbing example has been the expanded meaning of terms such as ‘far right’, ‘fascist’ and ‘Nazi’, which has needlessly raised the temperature of current political debates. A new make-believe domain has emerged, in which many are gripped by an irrational conviction that we live in a country dominated by fascists, poised to rise and seize control like a rerun of Mussolini’s march on Rome. So one left-leaning commentator informs us that ‘fascist extremism and terrorism is being legitimised and fuelled by “mainstream” newspapers and politicians alike’. Another insists that ‘all white people’ are implicated ‘in white supremacy’. The rhetoric has become so ubiquitous that these terms have begun to lose their potency. So why is it that so many journalists and activists are persuaded that neo-Nazism has gone mainstream? Why do so many on social media feel the need to identify themselves as ‘anti-fascist’? Like most people, I have never met an actual fascist. I have encountered some racists, a few far-right advocates, and one white nationalist during the filming of a programme for the BBC – but no fascists, so far as I am aware. My default expectation of my fellow creatures is that they would instinctively oppose such pernicious ideas. Claiming to be an ‘antifascist’ is rather like wearing a badge saying ‘I am not a paedophile’; it makes others wonder what you’re hiding.

TW racist content.

Note to MNHQ this is to illustrate the point that Andy Ngo is far right.

Andy Ngo and Nigel Farage discussing how 'black and brown people' want to destroy the United States.

I am beginning to remember that there are those who are desperate to be recognised as ‘good left’ wing people who have to frame the rest as ‘far right’ to make themselves properly distanced from themselves.

I think we are seeing this with this movement.

It is why I have been so confused as to who is left and right because, frankly, I don’t care. I take people for where their opinions fall on particular issues. Or maybe I just come from a country that is probably more centre anyway.

Did you listen to this?

What do you think Andy Ngo is actually saying here?

Please be specific.

Andy Ngo and Nigel Farage discussing how 'black and brown people' want to destroy the United States.

That's a completely nonsensical interpretation of what he said. He's talking about the specific people pushing to defund the police.

Illuminating.

Note to MNHQ this is to illustrate the point that Andy Ngo is far right

ive not watched it, can’t just at the minute

but taking what you say about the video I don’t understand how it proves he is far right

would it not make him racist?

That's what I thought, he's talking about BLM political aims, is that racist/fascist thing to do?

What do you think Andy Ngo is actually saying here?

Please be specific.

This! The only reference to "black and brown people" was about how they are being killed in disproportionate numbers on the streets of America.

Sappho have you actually listened to what he said? He describes the people being killed in civil unrest in the US as predominantly 'black and brown', and then goes on to talk about political groups/movements who are trying to defund the police, and the theories of these political groups/movements.

He's not conflating those two groups. Are you? Because this would be a grave misunderstanding.

no

have you actually watched that clip?

Ngo says that BLM want to defund the police. this is true

he says that in the wake of the George Floyd protests violence and homicide predominantly against black and brown people reached record levels in Portland to the point where a state of emergency was declared. this is true

he says that blm say america is on occupied land and want to destroy america. this feels like hyperbole and a quick google does not turn up any evidence of this.

however he is not saying what you say he is saying

He didn't say anything racist. This is a misrepresentation of what he said. He's talking about the left wing political movements pushing to defund/abolish the police in Portland, Oregon and elsewhere. Such as BLM and Antifa. Chaos has reigned. He says that most people killed and suffering from this are "black and brown people" and they are not the focus of this political movement, it's an ideological one.

Have you actually watched the video Sappho?

as an aside, 'Talking Pints'?

WTAF. Farage is Alan Patridge made flesh isn't he? how the hell does anyone take that man seriously?

Did you even watch that?

He says: "These people say that 'The reason we're experiencing higher numbers of deaths of predominantly black and brown people is because we need to defund the police"...'

He's talking about antifas. They aren't black and brown people.

You know nothing about North American politics clearly so I suggest you stick to your little corner of ignorance where you just flung insults at a woman because another woman hosted an open Mike event where another woman shouted that a baby was a fascist.

You've spent this whole thread pretty much defending CMK mon the basis that there were a coupled blokes there whose politics you and she don't like so the women who organised the even deserve all they get. Does that also extend to Aja who got glitter thrown at her dreadlocks?

Bernard

Ive watched it…didn’t help with the far right bit

i mean he’s obviously on the right…

Oh my God really? Let's not get into an analysis of whether being racist counts as being far right.

I'm happy to call Andy Ngo a centre right racist if that helps.

Carly-May Kavanagh is Labour.

The point it that most people in Brighton (and most decent people) will be more aligned with the politics of CMK than Andy Ngo.

She's a complete idiot for shouting at the baby but I can understand why the presence of racists may have upset her, hence why I feel a bit sorry for her.

They really need to bring back English comprehension into the syllabus. I just watched that clip. he is not saying black and brown people want to destroy America, he's stating facts that since the defunding of the police that violent crimes against black and brown people have increased.

and you make a very good point Rufus that even if Ngo was saying what @SapphosRock thinks he was saying, that would make him racist, not far right

Andy Ngo seems to be talking about a movement, not black and brown people.

The movement he is talking about is a movement with lots and lots of white members, and it is a movement that lots of black people disagree with.

I am not an expert on BLM, but from what I have read and seen it would appear that a typical BLM opinion is "my university campus police is racist. I know because I have experienced it and seen it. It should be abolished. It should be abolished even though response times from city police will be longer, and I have no statistical evidence that the city police is less racist than campus police"

When I first heard of BLM I assumed that it basically meant what the name says and gave it my unequivocal support. But that is wrong, it is a political movement with some insane ideas. As I understand it most key black leaders from the 1960s would be appalled BLM.