Carly-May Kavanagh

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There are rumours circulating on Twitter that Carly-May Kavanagh (the one who screams at babies: Daily Mail) has, despite her “apology” been suspended from the Labour Party. Presumably such a suspension would have an impact on her job as Lloyd Russell-Moyle‘s head of policy?

Apparently if she is suspended it [probably] won’t be made public. Given the reason for her [potential] suspension; if Labour actually do take action, you’d think they’d want to reassure people that they expect their members to uphold certain standards. I mean, “not screaming abuse at infants” is less upholding a standard than it is failing to trip over pebbles of basic decency…

Clearly one cannot put too much weight into Random Person Says Unevidenced Thing. However, it would be a foolish rumour to start without cause, so I thought it was worth starting a thread here to see if there are developments to follow.

Should Kavanagh face consequences for her behaviour it will be a watershed moment: Labour acknowledging women have rights all their own, including the rights to assemble & to speak on issues of concern to them, such as their need for single sex provisions.

That’s not true though, there are pictures of the Bany Shouter right in amongst the women trying to speak, so we know that PP didn’t know who some of the people there were.

It’s really strange how people are trying to deflect attention from those who were violent and abusive, almost as though they don’t want anyone to notice who was so clearly in the wrong here.

This week has been disappointing in the sneering and derision thrown towards Kellie Jay Keen and women not fitting into a particular mould.
What a week! And yet, the same women being caught in the derision leveled at KJK in this recent poundshop tweet by Sarah Ditum are the ones funding crowdfunder after crowdfunder.

Yes, do those super pure, left leaning, intellectual feminists seriously think that all the money that has been raised in the various crowd funders for court cases comes solely from people as pure, left leaning and as intellectual as them? Seriously? As if.

Funny how many of those who would describe themselves as on the left, tolerant, intellectual and feminists are the ones who denounce those like Allison Bailey and even appeared in Court against her.

Remind me again which side of the political left/right divide the parties are that are most entrenched in this ideology.

Remind me again which side is violent, intimidating, against free speech, for compelled speech and thought, demanding changes in language and definitions.

Do please tell me why only one particular group is expected to adhere to certain arbitrary standards.

This people who dress in black, with their faces covered, and who disrupt and attack women’s meetings; they are the fascists.

No matter how much hyperbole you employ, no-one is buying this story that the women trying to speak about women’s rights are the fascists.

Abusive bastards who accused a baby of being a fascist; abusive racist bastards who threw glitter over a black woman.....

But no. It's women seeking women's rights who are Wrong, always. Listen to the Black Pampers.

I can understand part of what you are saying @SapphosRock - I think Brighton and Brighton's Labour party in particular is an echo chamber- i had a lot of conversations with a friend who is highly intelligent and a long history of feminism and she hadn't even thought about the impact that TRA are having on womens rights- to her it was taken as read that she would support trans rights. To her Lloyd is a hero and anyone further right wing than him/not in agreement with him is a fascist (so 99% of the uk then)
But even then she would not abuse anyone in the defence of her views

This people who dress in black, with their faces covered, and who disrupt and attack women’s meetings; they are the fascists.

No matter how much hyperbole you employ, no-one is buying this story that the women trying to speak about women’s rights are the fascists.

Yes, exactly.

I know what you mean, RhannionKPSS

And thank you for your campaign, and very best wishes to you.

Last few UK elections I've being going along to my local voting station and just writing across ballot paper "Women don't have penises. Protect women's safety and rights" or similar, on my ballot paper. It's been years since I actually put a vote for any party. And this is bad. I have no party to vote for women's rights and protection of children.

That’s an awful lot of conditions that Brighton Women’s group are putting around who is a feminist and what they must believe. Talk about narrowing your Church!

They don't "own" the city any more than Fox Fisher does.

I agree. I can’t get my head at all around the idea that if I agree with someone on one issue I am somehow endorsing every other opinion they hold or have ever held.

For people who think like this, what on earth are your friendship groups like! How have you managed to narrow your friendship group to clones of you?! I suspect you haven’t and your friends have just learnt not to disagree with you and do a n awful lot of internal eye rolling when you opine!

Not surprised to see this from Sarah Ditum, I remember when she turned up on Mumsnet to lecture us and got her arse handed to her. Barracker references it in this thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4198554-Bolshie-softie-or-old-school-Find-your-feminist-tribe-pathetic-article-by-Sarah-Ditum-As-if-MSM-didnt-ridicule-feminism-enough-without-female-writers-collaborating-to-get-column-inches

You didn’t see a group of self-declared feminists trying to literally shut down a meeting called “let women speak” then?

That was people who call themselves feminists doing exactly what you are now claiming that they don’t do.

Trying to tell people that what they saw didn’t happen is not tenable.

@ImNotGreta no I didn't?

The local feminists who avoided the event said this in their statement:

We do not condone or support any threats to the safety of women attending this event, and we hope it will be policed with respect for everyone’s freedom to associate and speak.

Everyone must must feel free to attend any event they wish to attend, and also feel free not to attend and state why if their values don't align with it.

Right. So women should not publicly talk about their rights, if other people may object to them doing so. Because if those objectors make a ruckus, then the ruckus is the fault of the women wanting to speak about their rights.

Right.

So you don’t think and Baby Shouter would call herself a feminist, or are you employing the “no true Scotsman” fallacy and asserting that each person trying to stop women speaking wasn’t a feminist?

These protestors are left-wing feminists.

This It’s the smug academics, so called intellectuals and daft Billy Bragg types who have allowed this pernicious nonsense to spread.

Also, who the hell does sarah ditun think she is, arbiter of righteousness? How dare she throw insults around other women. Personal attacks are not going to win arguments- or friends.

I think drawing a line at far right nationalism is a reasonable position to take and one that should be respected in a democratic society.

Could you please answer some questions then Sapphos?

Do you think women benefit from the format where everyday women can stand up and use the mic to say something?

How do you think Standing for Women could ‘distance’ themselves enough from any far right attendees to an open mic public rally that is free to attend?

Do you honestly think that those women who want to attend these events and use that microphone are the wrong type of feminist and shouldn’t be adding their voice to this movement?

Youve got youself in between a rock and a hard place sapphos

and now you are just throwing out statements that demean us all

Its very rude if me helle but I’m going to take a punt on those questions with the information ive garnered from this thread

yes…but only if they are the right type of women and have completely vetted everyone in their audience

not a hope

yes

Goodness.

Is your group now going to write and list the sins of Sarah Ditum? And some of the things said by other feminists in the past against other women?

Or is it ok for those other feminists to write their denigrating comments about Kellie Jay Keen because she is ‘problematic’?

That makes ‘those’ feminists ok? Because your group has already declared a women the enemy, other feminists can say whatever they want about her and people who support her?

Or can we expect a similar listing of problematic women such as Sarah Ditum coming out now with those feminists listed too?

The Brighton Sanctimonious Choir have given a staggering amount of publicity to "the far right".

They're "platforming" them incessantly.

The pleasure they get from criticizing PP seems to override their common sense.

I’ve obviously missed the relevant post (and am reluctant to read back through from the start) but who were the far right nationalists at the Let Women Speak event and how do we know they were there? And does anyone know who the anonymous far right speaker was (mentioned in the JH blog piece)?

I mean, how fucked up is it to see the sins of Kellie Jay Keen, or any woman, listed so clearly on a page on a feminist group’s website?

And this group holds itself high on the scale of morality!