Men in women's changing rooms

[Moggyd]

Just been into Marks and Spencer's changing rooms and there was a man sat outside the cubicle waiting for his partner. Right next to the big mirror where you come out and look. I didn't feel comfortable at all and wouldn't come out of the cubicle to show my friend the dress. I spoke to the member of staff and she said it was a recent change and men can go into the what was ladies changing rooms now because a few men have kicked off recently when refused entry. I feel pretty angry about this. Interestingly there was a sticker inside my friend's changing room as attached. Not put there by Marks. What do others think?

So, James Bond, do your wife and daughter ever shop without you? Would your daughter be happy in the changing room if you were not there but there were other men who she did not know? Do you feel uneasy about the fact that a male stranger could walk in on her?

If we're sharing the opinions of our family members, I can say that my husband feels absolutely no need to accompany me into a changing room and would feel very uncomfortable in a mixed changing room. Not for himself, but because he knows how he would make women feel by his presence, as a male.

I’ve fuck all interest in a man’s view of how women should feel sharing their changing rooms with males. I’d say no offence but I wouldn’t mean it so be as offended as you like.

Remember when ladies changing rooms often had men crèches set up outside with sofas and car magazines? The stores could still do that for the real men, some of whom might not take too kindly to any pervs following their womenfolk into the fitting areas.

I don’t use changing rooms in any store unless they are female only. I’ve weaned myself off M&S, cancelled their credit card and, on the odd occasion when I do want to try their clothing I order a variety of colours and sizes to try at home. I then return a mass of stuff to store (because that’s convenient for me), and if there’s any comment from the poor sap who has to process the returns, they get told exactly why I don’t try in store.

Nothing shouts male entitlement like it.

Please could you explain how I have misrepresented your posts?

DH is in a wheelchair. Last time I was shopping with DH and I went in a changing room I went to “park” him just outside the changing room entrance. He immediately asked me to move him further away as he felt women would feel uncomfortable with him sitting so near the entrance ( in no way blocking it). And that was before I’d seen these threads and talked about these things. I’d like to think that’s how all decent men would react

on behalf of my wife and daughter whom I've asked and they said they are not concerned.

Well yippee for your wife and daughter.

If I produce another bloke who can explain to you how his wife and daughter are concerned and in fact cannot use that space if you're busy exerting your privilege to dominate women and women's spaces as you feel like in full conscious knowledge you're pushing some women's consent? Will you listen to him since you clearly have zero respect for anyone walking around in possession of female biology?

Is that it? Should I round up my male owner to negotiate with you on my behalf?

You’ve cracked it, that’s the only way to communicate with James.

I’ll have one last attempt though.
@JamesBondOO7 having seen the video of the girl who was in Primark and had two separate men open her changing room curtain “to see if the cubicle was empty “ how would you feel if that happened to your daughter? I’ve missed if you’ve said her age but as she’s old enough to have an opinion on this I assume she’s old enough to go shopping with friends. How would you feel if she was filmed whilst changing and the video distributed online? How would you feel if she was touched by a man who had walked into her changing room? Or worse? Because that’s all happened to other peoples daughters, and that’s why we, and many other men and women, are not ok with here policies and won’t just say “ oh well if JamesBond is ok with this why should we complain?”

are not ok with these* policies

Argh, you know what I meant

I wouldn't waste your typing on the Man Posting on Mumsnet To Put Women in their Place.

Actually I’ve just remembered. Years ago Matalan wouldn’t let me take my baby with me into the changing room area. A baby in a pram wasn’t allowed but now it’s open season for men to be allowed in? How does that work?

I’m sure he’d also be thrilled if his daughter was walked in on by 2 creeps like that Primark incident yesterday

We have taken our concerns to the management at M & S, JB. The fact that they wilfully have chosen to ignore us is a signal not that the policies are right, just that mens’ wishes ( including a very special kind of new customer) will always trump womens’ needs.

In fact, this political ideology in a nutshell.

"We come on a wonderous, righteous civil rights crusade! To destroy the rights of women, children and homosexuals in favour of males never encountering the word 'no' and never having to take any kind of responsibility for their behaviour."

Wonder what Mr Bond’s female relatives would make of any of this lot being outside their changing cubicle, solid door or not.

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This is a site primarily for women. I can't understand why JB's wife can't speak for herself. It perplexes me. Not.

I gave up answering on this link due to the trolls.

It proves that men don't want women to have anything for themselves. No changing rooms, not even a women's only forum.