Antipodean fruit growers 2 - Canary in the internet coal mine

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Continuation thread from Antipodean fruit grower statement

A statement from the owner reads in part:

Downtime Update as of August 26th, 2022

"What I fear more than losing my site, being sued, or dealing with police is living in a world where [REDACTED] can [REDACTED] little boys and girls into [REDACTED] and [REDACTED], while normal people are not allowed to even discuss it.

The mob has already planned subsequent targets. Should we stay down, they will then attack 'gender critical' communities - especially those ran by and for women. No place can exist online which allows criticism of their [REDACTED], and nothing would excite them more than this power and domination struggle being inflicted on a female space instead."

I would link to the statement on the Internet Archive aka "Wayback Machine" but it has made all pages archived from the relevant site unsearchable (or deleted?).

Mumsnet does not permit links to the site Archive Today so that is out too.

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I can't speak in as much detail about the other accusations because I don't recall them and I can't research them because the farms is down.

I can remember one of the others, a woman who was the subject of a small amount of posts on KF and who took her own life. Her sister (I think it was, can't check because the only place with receipts has been attacked) publically stated that she had mental health difficulties and real life problems, and that her death had nothing to do with KF. No one on KF ever interacted with her, there was no harassment, doxxing, hate campaign, insert lies of your choice here, just some people on an obscure website posted some stuff she had posted herself on the internet, because they thought the stuff was funny. A woman struggled with her life so much she ended it, and people who want KF and it's receipts destroyed use her death to smear a website they don't like. Time for a 'are we the baddies?' moment.

I don't know MerlinsLostMarbles - perhaps there is a history of posts - but if not I'll say in their defence that there has been a very vicious and widespread smear campaign against the Farms and a lot of irresponsible columnists repeating claims without verifying. So it is very easy for someone to see something like that Mother Jones article and take it at face value. Also, the Farms is a pretty spicy place with a unique community and culture. At face value, again, it can be hard for some people not to be shocked at a place where you can, if you wish, be only racist or see serious matters treated with such apparent irreverence.

But of course that's what makes it so valuable. For example, I follow the Ukraine threads there. If I want to get any perspective other than the approved Western / NATO one, my options are usually limited to places that go the complete opposite and spew nothing but opposite propaganda. I can read a thread on the Farms and see people make informed arguments back and forth from both points of view, and the mods are as likely to punish someone for bothering them as the person who is reported. Same with Right and Left politics - they will mock and dissect any group. But usually only those that invite it. Blaire White is a transwoman who they don't make much of a cow of because Blaire White speaks out against paedophiles and woman abusers and generally is very live and let live. Someone like Keffels who ran a "catboy ranch" and helped adolescents to learn how to make oestrogenic substances at home, not so much.

And they archive EVERYTHING. It's a goldmine of chronicling the ugly underbelly of various movements from any side of the political spectrum. And especially the TRAs.

I'll never understand the intelligence of people who eat up and believe a think-piece article rather than a collection of documented, evidential proof.

There's been a real shift hasn't there? You can't believe anything that you read in print media or watch on TV because it's all been filtered through someone's political or ideological agenda. That's why sites like Kiwi Farms (and to a lesser extent MN) are so importantm you get the unfiltered and evidence truth about what people think and what people have done and said, even if it's unpleasant.

Kiwi Farms will be back I'm sure and even if Josh can't get it back, he'll just dump it as an entire archive. And can you imagine the number of highly motivated individuals who will make it their lives mission to continue to broadcast and evidence that the one obsessive person who is trying to take it down is a rapist?

Posting in order to follow.

I'm hoping enough is now out there in the real world that taking down mumsnet would fall flat. However, we live in 1984 times.

I think it could be worth his while to release some of that info to the papers fairly soon tbh.

Very transphobic of you to refer to LGBT people as "rapists". That's who the trolls tend to target, their families as well.

Not a good look for Mumsnet if you're comparing them to a hate site that exists to stalk and hounds people into suicide.

Someone said it was down again? Hopefully for good this time. Also it must have been a pain for the members and the owner to have to change domain and host etc every other week because provider wants anything to do with them.

because no provider wants anything to do with them, I mean.

Not a good look?

Says the poster desperately caping for sex predators! 😂

This actual issue is because the Farms have the only evidence of him admitting to rape.

That's the point.

Merlin is force teaming the completely normal, law abiding LGB&T’s with an actual, self admitted, rapist?

That’s deffo ‘not a good look’.

Indeed. We don't want a dystopian world where lies are peddled, and truth is called hate. Lets try and keep the enlightenment and not return to the dark ages where inquisitors got to impose their ideology with the backing of the state.

This evidence you speak of has been sent to the police I presume?

His confession is also archived here: <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20191122010933/twitter.com/lizthegrey/status/1197657127701110786" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20191122010933/twitter.com/lizthegrey/status/1197657127701110786

Not sure why that didn't link properly, sorry. Trying again: link

Well I'm glad the apparent confession has been archived (the link works, but I haven't read it to check because it's about 20 paragraphs long), this means the hate site can stay shut now.

It's a couple hundred words. Is that beyond your comprehension?

Do they have something on you by any chance?

Not a good look for Mumsnet if you're comparing them to a hate site that exists to stalk and hounds people into suicide.

It's not a hate site, you've no evidence it's a hate site, because it isn't. It has hounded no one, to suicide or to anything else, and you can't show me any proof it has because it hasn't. It exists to laugh at what people choose to put on the internet. It's used by some people who I don't agree with on pretty much any topic, but in case you're not sure about this part, I'll spell it out - people disagreeing with you is not hate. Other people don't have to think what you think.

There's a lot more archived about various people's misdeeds than just that. Also I only saw where to get that link because I found some other site was talking about this shutdown, and someone posted it there, I guess they had it bookmarked.

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Why is everyone taking issue with MerlinsLostMarbles for defending Liz Fong-Jones? He didn't rape anybody - it was a "consent accident", he has said so.

I withdraw my charitable reply to Merlin earlier thinking he or she was merely taken in by the misinformation. The responsible position is not: "unless Liz Fong-Jones as been formerly convicted it is okay for Liz Fong-Jones to sponsor DDoS attacks to bring down a website and intimidate and threaten businesses to stop trading with his critics and spread malicious lies about the forum and its users".

Nobody has ever successfully brought a lawsuit against Null. He is scrupulous about what he can and cannot say on that site. Hence the resort to underhand means.

I read the archived tweet thread. Which part is the "confession"?

"In short:
(1) Liz lives with a dog. Liz's clothing has dog hair on it.
(3) Liz had consensual sex with someone.
(4) That person has phobia of dog hair and didn't say so.
(5) That person thinks Liz deliberately/maliciously got dog hair on her.
(6) She accuses Liz of sexual assault"

That isn't a confession of anything, Liz is claiming the sex was consensual and something something dog hair.

The part where he euphemistically admits it was a "consent accident".