Mermaids versus LGB alliance in court today??

[GrabbyGabby]

www.theguardian.com/society/2022/sep/09/trans-charity-mermaids-appeal-lgb-alliance-status

Not sure if it is today or next week. Do we know if this is open like the tribunals?

"There is no evidence that in other jurisdictions predatory men misuse the legislation."

JN: there is no evidence that men pretend to be trans to access women's spaces

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The bit after that

All the of the lesbians in my committee agree, this will not diminish them.

Which lesbians is he talking of & which committee? Who are the lesbians elected to Parliament who are telling JN that males claiming to be lesbians doesn't diminish what a lesbian is?

Criminals are already pretending to be Trans to get into Women Prisons. They desist as soon as they are released.

We're going to hit the end of the thread soon. I'm going to start thread 2.

Do you respect womens concerns about this?

waffle waffle waffle

No

JN: there is no evidence that men pretend to be trans to access women's spaces

They're not always "pretending" are they? Some of them are predatory MTF trans people eg Wi Spa etc.

Yes.

It is like he is talking in 2018 and has ignored all the evidence since which disproves every thing he has said

"It doesn't say it, but it dogwhistles it"

'It doesn't say it, but it dog whistles it'

"It dog whistles it" 😂

I am very intrigued by the use of 'coy' by this man. He is so clearly misogynistic but his ego sometimes gets in the way of seeing just how big a misogynist he is.

It is all projection though.

I don't believe that many people that support the prioritisation of female's needs and rights above those of males seeking to access those protections express themselves 'coyly' at all. We are the ones declaring bald truths that we are told are hurtful to express and we are fine to hold those opinions, but cannot say them out loud. Whereas other groups talk around issues, declare it is complicated and never actually answer the questions.

Pure projection.

A new study from Sweden's National Council on Crime Prevention (Brå) looked into reported rapes across Europe, after Eurostat figures showed that between 2013 and 2017 Sweden, together with England and Wales, had the highest number of reported rapes per capita.

Thread 2: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4632780-mermaids-vs-lgb-alliance-and-charity-commissioner-first-tier-tribunal-general-regulatory-chameber-thread-2

Feel free to wander over.

Do the Mermaids sign even know what line they're supposed to be arguing?

Is it that it's fine to have a charity for same sex attracted people but LGBA is an unsuitable one or that it's simply wrong for one to exist in the first place?

If it's the former then surely it's very bad for them that their witnesses keep making it clear that they really think one should not exist at all?

'Dog whistle', 'tiny minority', 'scaremongering'

This is the exact same scenario that has been played out on here numerous times.

I wish AR had a bit more refuting proof at her fingertips.

hopefully, as usual, just letting a TRA ramble on will do the trick, though.

Yep. For those who haven't seen these -

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/anger-trans-inmates-revert-males-25840252

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/number-transgender-prisoners-scotland-up-27810225

JN: Mermaids represent the majority of transpeople

'Some women aren't bothered by being naked in a space with men. Like in some Scandinavian countries'

Such as? I'm sure we have enough people with experience from such countries here to knock that one on the head.

Finland, generally, no. Public-access saunas such as in hotels or the like are strictly sex-separated, usually on a time rota.

Private saunas within families or friend groups, possibly mixed-sex, but still usually not.

There is a lot more nudity - you will probably see most of your work colleagues of the same sex nude in a company sauna at some point. But not those of the opposite sex.

It's a very common theme you see among TRAs, usually American, this fantasy that large chunks of Europe are some sort of mixed-sex free-love hippy space.

Exactly. He can't define a lesbian, but he takes their word for everything. They could be women, they could be men, they could be mean attracted to women, or women attracted to his version of men.

it's risible jibber jabber.

I wish AR had a bit more refuting proof at her fingertips.

I think I saw it was Karon Monaghan QC today.

I’m going over to. The new thread

MN performs like a dog when a thread gets over about 700 posts

this fantasy that large chunks of Europe are some sort of mixed-sex free-love hippy space

I suspect is a wank fantasy.

Fucking hell he hasn't even read the Cass review.