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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Mermaids versus LGB alliance in court today??

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GrabbyGabby · 09/09/2022 07:46

www.theguardian.com/society/2022/sep/09/trans-charity-mermaids-appeal-lgb-alliance-status

Not sure if it is today or next week. Do we know if this is open like the tribunals?

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dworky · 13/09/2022 10:42

I'm finally in but ridiculous wait.

Mmmnotsure · 13/09/2022 10:43

KM's job re JN is like trying to herd a rhino.

KM and judge are now talking him to like a five-year-old rhino.

nauticant · 13/09/2022 10:43

I'm amused at the guest appearances when observers take over the video feed.

chilling19 · 13/09/2022 10:44

nauticant · 13/09/2022 10:43

I'm amused at the guest appearances when observers take over the video feed.

I obsessively check my camera and audio is off for this reason 😩

Ameanstreakamilewide · 13/09/2022 10:45

He's getting more puce...

Signalbox · 13/09/2022 10:45

nauticant · 13/09/2022 10:43

I'm amused at the guest appearances when observers take over the video feed.

That last one was a bit worrying.

ickky · 13/09/2022 10:45

I know, what the hell was that. In their dressing gown looking very pleased with themselves. 😂

Ameanstreakamilewide · 13/09/2022 10:46

The cab driver who combed his beard during Allison's tribunal was excellent!

nauticant · 13/09/2022 10:46

Whenever I join these things I have a physical barrier obscuring my camera.

Waitwhat23 · 13/09/2022 10:46

ickky · 13/09/2022 10:29

Isn't Scotland Rape Crisis run by a transwoman? No wonder they have no concerns.

Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre. The CEO told rape survivors that they should 'learn to reframe their trauma' and left their political party in protest at the 'six words' amendment being allowed (the one which allowed rape survivors to request that they be examined by a female).

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19509343.outcry-plan-educate-bigoted-rape-survivors-trans-rights/

Ameanstreakamilewide · 13/09/2022 10:47

Did we have 'dog whistle' on the bingo card?

FemaleAndLearning · 13/09/2022 10:47

OldCrone · 13/09/2022 09:00

There's a quote in that article from an interview with someone from Mermaids in 2013:

I spoke to Linda at Mermaids, a support group in London formed in 1995 by parents of transgendered children. She told me that this group supports parents who have children who do not ‘fit in’ with ‘gender roles.’ I ask what she meant exactly by ‘fitting in’ and Linda explains, ‘If you are a little girl who behaves like a boy, you will want to have your hair short, to play with the boys. Even at play group they will be different…they will be picked on and those are the problems.’ I tell Linda that many little girls will have short hair and play with boys—I was one of those little girls. She says, ‘I have known a lot of girls in my time and they don’t like rough and tumble..they don’t like playing with boys. They like to play with dolls, dressing up, playing in the Wendy House, to grow their hair…’ Linda emphasises that it is important that these children ‘fit in,’ a phrase she often repeats in our discussion.

Is this still an accurate description of Mermaids' aims? Are parents aware that the charity wants to make children 'fit in' with regressive gender stereotypes by altering their children's bodies? Is this an appropriate focus for a charity?

I attended a Mermaids webinar recently aimed at SEND children hosted by Sunshine Support.

They have changed their tactics. They now say gender expression is not an indicator as being trans is inside and only the individual knows (and therefore cannot be challenged). It is really hard to know what being trans is as there is no reference other than I feel like a girl/boy. I imagine they have moved away from gender expression as it relies on sexist sterotypes.

nauticant · 13/09/2022 10:51

One thing I like about KM's approach is that she's on top of the language of the ideology but is also capable of presenting it in a way that sweeps away a decent amount of the obscurity.

PicturesOfDogs · 13/09/2022 10:52

I wish I could login in and watch, but immensely grateful for TT and comments here

Signalbox · 13/09/2022 10:53

JN says above all else we should be motivated by kindness.

GrinitchSpinach · 13/09/2022 10:54

The tweets were so much more fluent yesterday. Sounds like Nicholson is making this a slog for everyone involved.

ickky · 13/09/2022 10:55

I take nothing for granted in this case 😂 very wise

Signalbox · 13/09/2022 10:56

He's a proper full-on trans activist. KM asks a straight forward question and JN goes completely around the houses with his answer.

yourhairiswinterfire · 13/09/2022 10:57

JN - I know what a lesbian is.

KM - I take nothing for granted.

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Datun · 13/09/2022 10:57

That born in the wrong body thing makes no sense even as he puts it. Apart from the fact that there's no evidence for it, he's just admitted that it's not even part of the criteria to get a GRC.

Anyone can get a GRC, whether they think they were born in the wrong body or not. It's completely irrelevant.

chilling19 · 13/09/2022 10:58

JN is arrogant.

I can just imagine him in a meeting - talking over everyone, pushing his own agenda, riding rough shod.

Mmmnotsure · 13/09/2022 10:58

JN uses interesting words to describe the LGBA language of their concerns. 'Coy' and 'demure'. Back to the C19th, women.

chilling19 · 13/09/2022 10:59

We had an brief flash of an audience member!

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 13/09/2022 10:59

Obsession with genitalia. Do we have a bingo going?

Signalbox · 13/09/2022 11:00

JN says that LGBA has a obsession with genitalia.

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