Celebrity surrogacy - find this a bit heartbreaking

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Irish ‘celebrity’ couple with a new baby via surrogacy. The surrogate was one of the couples sister. They have put up pictures and stories all delighted and excited but I just see raw emotion on the mothers face in the second picture and in their stories the baby is clearly rooting for her mothers breast. I have a two month old who always does this and honestly it’s breaking my heart seeing the baby search like that while the dad doesn’t even notice and that she isn’t with her mother. They took the baby home before the mother was discharged and she is nowhere to be seen.

seems so unfair on both baby and the mother who doesn’t have any children of her own.

instagram.com/bprdowling?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

A good friend of mine and his husband adopted a toddler (he's now a teenager). They are exceptional parents and did above and beyond the research in parenting a young child. They took parenting classes, got counseling to help deal w/ adoption trauma, had an open adoption so mom is involved a bit in boy's life (she gets supervised visits due to some other issues as it was a foster-to adopt situation via the state). They also acknowledged that they probably didn't' know shit about being a parent and also went, IMO, a bit overboard on doctor visits, so...this anecdote shows I'm the first to defend gay men being parents, but these two are just posers, IMO. Not really interested in baby's needs, rather their own celebrityhood. Otherwise, what parent of a 2-week old can be so bothered to post that much!??!?!?

Have they not considered sleep swapping, you know, what 2-parent households do to help the other out. One stays up w/ baby, the other sleeps and then switch. They are so frickin lucky they aren't a single parent, let alone a single mom recovering from childbirth, but they need a baby sitter (a soon-to-be-bride no less, like she's not massively busy already!!!) after 2 weeks just so they can have a bit of fun.

Aren't you supposed to keep infants away from too many people due to their delicate immune systems? A wedding would seem risky to me. A walk just a few houses down the street was a massive deal at 4 weeks, IRC.

They are clueless.

Was reading an article where they said they don't even have a photo of the egg donor. I don't know how you could have lived in Ireland at any point in the past two decades and not heard adoptees talk about the trauma of not knowing who their parents are and the struggles they have gone to to get accurate biological information about themselves.

Also this article, 🙄sure making this tv show was for your daughter not for some limelight and a cheque extra.ie/2022/09/20/entertainment/brian-dowling-arthur-rte-show

The ‘ vile troll’ said the baby needed her mother. that’s just factual. Do the not care about the Sid’s risk of being in with a newborn stinking of alcohol. So dangerous.

www.thesun.ie/tvandshowbiz/9407202/furious-brian-dowling-hits-back-nasty-troll-vile/amp/

Interesting he uses the word "uneducated" to describe critics.....after being put out to find that newborns need feeding more than every 7 hours....

There's something galling about a man who used a surrogate then went on the piss when the baby was two weeks old declaring that he's going to share the "honest side of parenting".

Who on here would like to share the honest side of what pregnancy, childbirth/C sections and breastfeeding do to a woman's body?

From that article Coco linked:

’We are letting Blake lead the way for us @gourounlian & set the tone, this could be a bad idea as she’s only 10 days old.’

Errr… who else is going to ‘lead the way and set the tone’ if not the needs of a 10 day old?

The more I read from this couple, the more I feel this was a vanity project for promotion and they thought they were going to be able to treat this baby like a pet.

Just seen the pics of Khloe Kardashian sitting in a hospital bed with her newborn son as if she’s just birthed him even though obviously the surrogate mother gave birth to him. Absolutely batshit.

Holy crap. Wow. Batshit indeed.

Woah. Giant new imbed photo format, MNHQ?

They had that in The Handmaid's Tale. In the book, the Wife was brought to the Handmaid to be held above her as she laboured. They made more of it in the TV programme, with the Wife on a bed of crisp white sheets with calming nursery music playing while the Handmaid laboured in pain, blood and shit next door.

Ach, that's no fun, ReneBums. Nobody wants to hear about all that boring cunty stuff! More glitter! More parties!

That's exactly what it made me think of too - the wives simulating birth while some unseen woman does the hard graft and then has her baby removed.

Things seem to be getting more dystopian day by day!
I am pulled between wanting to keep abreast (excuse the pun) of what's going on and wanting to turn away into blissful ignorance...
And it all seems to be ramping up!
It causes such deep anxiety!- exacerbated by not knowing who it is 'safe' to share these concerns with.
Coming on MN gives some comfort of not being alone but paradoxically also feeds the anxiety.
Can someone give me some words of hope please.🙏

NICE!

That was a NICE! for the new pic format.

But a nice! (side eye/sneer) at the fact that another celebrity surrogate arrangement.

When will celebrities be the surrogates?

Hahahaha!! What a stupidly ignorant post. If you put an egg in a drawer, does it turn into a baby? No it doesn’t, because it needs a woman’s body to create the baby. If it just needs “carrying”, pop it in a carrier bag for 9 months 🙄

Why are you trying to reduce us to insignificant farm animals? Why do you believe human trafficking is ok? Is it ok to sell a 1 year old? A 12 year old? Or just new borns for some reason? Can you explain why a human baby can be ripped from its mother as soon as it’s born, but we wait 8 weeks for a puppy?

It's the pro-surrogacy advocates that have turned me against surrogacy.

At best, they promote double standards. A lot of them seem to think it's appalling when rich people with children do it, but fine if infertile, childless people do. I can't see how either scenario makes any difference to the actual human cost to the surrogate and the baby. I've asked. None of them have told me.

At worst, they dehumanise and erase women. There is no way to justify it without completely erasing and dismissing the harsh realities of pregnancy and childbirth ("carried the baby, that's all") or the needs of a newborn for the familiarity of the body in which they grew. A number of them are abusive to boot and freely admit that they don't care about any opposing view and aren't interested in discussion.

They're ignorant and hypocritical at best, and downright misogynistic and dehumanising at worst.

Hahahaha!! What a stupidly ignorant post.

It is a post from a person who has absolutely no concept of how embryos become infants.

It is in a similar vein to those people who think that transitioned males should be able to 'carry' a foetus. Forgetting that there are so many interactions within the female body with different organs and different systems to sustain and allow that embryo to develop. An embryo does not just develop in a 'bag' implanted into a body and nobody knows the effect of growing a baby in a bag like they have with a lamb.

Yes. The mother's body 'creates' that child. And every single child leaves a cellular footprint in that mother's body. But... yes. To some people, usually who have a need to detach the role of a mother's body in the creation of a child, if a female has not contributed the egg, they are never a 'mother'.

Science already tells us that carrying a male child may help protect women from dementia because it leaves traces of the Y chromosome in the brain.

Its fascinating stuff.

It does mean that not being biological related may mean jack shit. And it also leaves the possibility that science in the future may mean that surrogates may be traceable...

I mean who does he think he’s ‘educating’? Mums who have actually carried the baby, given birth to it and are getting up with it round the clock and not palming it off on female relatives at 1 week old so they can have a lie in?

It is in a similar vein to those people who think that transitioned males should be able to 'carry' a foetus. Forgetting that there are so many interactions within the female body with different organs and different systems to sustain and allow that embryo to develop.

Posted too soon.

But exactly it’s absurd. They seem to think it’s as simple as hooking a womb up to a blood supply and then go, go, go.

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11238003/Khloe-Kardashian-gives-intimate-look-arrival-baby-son-shes-accompanied-sister-Kim.html

In today’s Gilead news.

So much wrong with this one I don’t know where to begin.

There is another thread going about the Kardashian surrogacy.

It’s still relevant on this one. ‘Celebrity surrogacy’.