Celebrity surrogacy - find this a bit heartbreaking

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Irish ‘celebrity’ couple with a new baby via surrogacy. The surrogate was one of the couples sister. They have put up pictures and stories all delighted and excited but I just see raw emotion on the mothers face in the second picture and in their stories the baby is clearly rooting for her mothers breast. I have a two month old who always does this and honestly it’s breaking my heart seeing the baby search like that while the dad doesn’t even notice and that she isn’t with her mother. They took the baby home before the mother was discharged and she is nowhere to be seen.

seems so unfair on both baby and the mother who doesn’t have any children of her own.

instagram.com/bprdowling?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

I’d like to know too.

Although as a normal, sensible person who knows the difference between a foetus and a newborn, I can’t see why Porcupine can’t similarly recognise that the two scenarios are not the same.
Most countries have the difference between the rights of a foetus and the rights of baby set out in law.

which is why many of us think current campaigns to change laws on surrogacy to give baby-buyers ownership before the birth as scary as fuck, Gilead shit.

unless Porky thinks that anyone who is pro choice should also be pro infanticide? Because that’s a very extreme position.

You only have to meet a baby to see they know their mother. Their eyes will follow her around, they’ll stare at her and settle for her in ways they won’t for anyone else.

which is why many of us think current campaigns to change laws on surrogacy to give baby-buyers ownership before the birth as scary as fuck, Gilead shit.

I am currently reading "Towards the Abolition of Surrogate Motherhood" by Marie-Josèphe Devillers and Ana-Luanda Stoicea-Deram of ICASM.

I have marked this quote:

"Does banning commercial surrogacy in any way endanger women's right to abortion? I think not. Viewing a woman as merely a vessel for property that contractually belongs to 'intended parents' erodes and is in direct conflict with the grounds for a woman's right to abortion. The embryo/fetus/developing child is part of the woman, it belongs to her because it is in her body. This fact gives her the right to terminate a pregnancy. If others - the surrogacy profiteer, the sperm/egg donor (provider) - claim this right, then what is to stop the state or the Church from making this same claim".

There is currently a consultation going on in New Zealand, and following a case where a woman had a termination as the surrogate pregnancy was severely impacting her mental health, one MP stated his determination to ensure that new laws include BINDING contracts, ie PREVENTING a woman from having a termination even for reasons related to her own significant health needs.

Does that answer your question @Porcupineintherough

There is currently a consultation going on in New Zealand, and following a case where a woman had a termination as the surrogate pregnancy was severely impacting her mental health, one MP stated his determination to ensure that new laws include BINDING contracts, ie PREVENTING a woman from having a termination even for reasons related to her own significant health needs.

I am utterly shocked at this. From a country that describes itself as progressive.

Does everyone have the right to be a parent? What, everyone?

www.theage.com.au/national/man-pleads-guilty-to-sexually-abusing-his-twin-surrogate-babies-20160421-goc83m.html

(PS It's not a human right, see Article 12 of the European Convention of Human Rights to "found a family" and how it is is based on discrimination and equal/same sex marriage not the 'right' to be a parent and have a child made or given to you.)

So much 'progressive' stuff seems to be built on the bodies of faceless women, doesn't it?

Jesus Christ that is some terrifying shit.

extra.ie/2022/09/18/entertainment/brian-dowling-parenting

I just find this so sad. Poor baby dragged to a wedding at two weeks old while they go on the piss then they're moaning about their hangovers after she wakes in the night. All part of their upcoming documentary. These clowns shouldn't be anywhere near a baby, especially Brian who seems to have the maturity of a 12 year old boy.

God that's horrible. Treating that poor baby as an accessory. It's not funny to make jokes about a 2 week old sleeping for 7 hours a night, it's sick.

These males really have no idea how they come across, do they? Not a child centred thought in their heads. This reads like they are dealing with a pet.

My God, what a fucking tool.

It's just so sad. Reality tv crossed with exploitation. They think they’re providing what the baby needs, because they feed her when she’s hungry and change her when she’s dirty.

But the most important thing they can give her is priority over self-promotion and the realisation that having a baby means you have to grow the fuck up, not clammer for more Insta likes.

It's just so sad. Reality tv crossed with exploitation. They think they’re providing what the baby needs, because they feed her when she’s hungry and change her when she’s dirty.

But the most important thing they can give her is priority over self-promotion and the realisation that having a baby means you have to grow the fuck up, not clammer for more Insta likes.

How many of you left your 1 week old baby with a non-parent relative overnight so you could ‘get a good nights sleep’? Selfish arseholes.

Apparently he didn't know newborns need to feed every couple of hours and wishes she'd sleep for six hours at two weeks.

Luckily his husband brushed up a bit on how to keep a newborn alive . I don't think they revealed which of them was the biological father but I hope it's the one with a couple of brain cells.

Fucking selfish, self-absorbed, lazy vapid arseholes. Take a baby from its mother, then leave it with someone else cos it keeps you awake after you go out on the lash. Pigs.

A woman, of course. No man was ever going to offer to take her were they? Seems like they’ve just used their female relatives for the hard bits of parenting so they have a cute baby to dress up and show off in photos.

This would be funny (how unrealistic their expectations are....a week or 2 in) if there wasn't an actual baby at the centre of this.

OK I couldn't have anticipated the impact of no sleep before having a baby but I was under no illusion that babies slept through the night at a few weeks old...? (as it happened my eldest didn't sleep through the night til she was at school)
3.5 hrs is not an unreasonable stretch of sleep for a baby that tiny imo

I wonder if they have extended their sympathies to the mum/baby provider how she is feeling 2 weeks post partum/surgery

Yikes imagine the reaction if a woman posted that on Insta about leaving her 1 week baby

Ffs why didn’t they just get a puppy.

oh wait they wouldn’t have been able to take a puppy from her mother.

the puppy would still have needed a minder while they ‘went out on the lash’.

I came across Brian having a melt down at somebody trying to his job. He came across as a petulant whiny toddler.

The only way I can envisage taking a newborn to a wedding is as a flying guest star visit - I’d expect to spend almost all of it upstairs in the hotel room with baby only popping down when baby was completely asleep for a quick chat with the happy couple while wearing baby in a sling.

and I would only do that if the wedding was my bff or a sibling, seeing as I’d probably be suffering post natal sweats and be unable to stuff my swollen norks in a dress without resembling an oily sausage. Defo no
drinking beyond a splash of toast champagne or a really watery spritzer.

they really are living the parenting dream - in fucking lala land.

Ffs why didn’t they just get a puppy.

Because babies are the latest accessory.

Yeah. Puppies are pure 2020/Lockdown style.

FFS newborns are not "good" in relation to how many times they wake a night. Why are they so surprised that people are judging them for their partying and naivety? Disgusting behaviour.

Who even thinks about getting drunk when their newborn is less than a dozen days old