How significant is this report that claims the public feels police officers are "more interested in being woke than solving crimes"?

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Very pleased to see this statement, and the BBC reporting it, but is it going to make a difference?

There are always goi g to be people who are anti police and nothing I can say , explain, reason , that will change your mind .
You're stuck in that mindset, so there is little I can do to try to further explain.
Engagement is pointless.

You are deliberately not hearing what I am saying which is not a good omen but that is something that seems rife in the Police at the moment, unable to hear or take any criticism whatsoever.

Does it not alarm or even remotely concern you that someone like me who was very supportive and pro the Police now takes a different view? Are you not concerned that my mindset as you put is has changed so much?

Nothing will improve for the Police or the public whilst the prevailing attitude is, as yours is, that engagement is pointless. The Police are supposed to be there for the public, all of the public equally, why are you so dismissive and closing your ears and eyes and refusing to see or hear that the public are fast losing faith in Police, are fast losing respect, are fast no longer trusting the Police. Brush that off, get defensive about it at your peril.

The rapid change, particularly in those (like me) who were once completely supportive of the Police, respected them and trusted them should concern you it fucking concerns me because the optics of the end result of that are not good for anyone.

You want to reverse that? You should because as I said if it isn't reversed no-one will benefit. You and all the Police need to start listening and working with the public instead of treating them as the enemy for daring to criticise or question you.

Things need to change, this report may provoke that. Perhaps you should change your mindset from defensiveness and surliness.

I've tried . You hate me anyway . What else am I meant to do ? I've explained as patiently as I can as has Felix .
There is nothing I can say that's going to alter YOUR mindset . I'm not at work now - this isn't a PR stunt - this is me in my own time trying to explain all the points raised .
Could it just be that you don't want to hear what I am saying ?
It's ironic you saying that of me - I've said countless times - the thread title is that "police officers " - ie - me - are more interested in being woke run solving crime .

I've tried extremely hard to explain that that is not me as a "police officer " lumped into that great big homogeneous lump .
But that doesn't quite fit this narrative does it ? No . I've got to be the bad guy ! So be it . Yet if you got assaulted in the street or burgled - would you still call the police ? In my force we have far far more pressing things than pandering to trans folk with an axe to grind . Or anyone with an axe to grind . No I'mcriminal offence - ? But you're personally offended ? Tough. If there is an offence - I'll deal with it . When I can get to your complaint within the 33 I already have that week .

Best of luck in your campaign. I'm a woman too . I do t want anyone telling what I'm allowed to think . I didn't even know what woke meant . I just go out there - do my job , hope to go home after the shift ends .
Bye x

I've tried . You hate me anyway .

JFC, I don't hate you I don't know you. Yours and Felix's posts are examples of why nothing will be solved and the situation will just get worse to your detriment and everyone else's.

I've tried extremely hard to explain that that is not me as a "police officer " lumped into that great big homogeneous lump .

You are part of that great big homogeneous lump though aren't you? The loss of faith and trust in the Police will effect you.

I find it quite surprising that neither you nor Felix seem remotely aware of many of the incidents cited on here considering the media reports and how widely they are discussed.

It's shit like this that makes me think just be that grey rock .don't let it affect you .

One day I'll just not give a shit . I'll just agree with everything and nod and smile and retire .
When individuals like me stop actually caring - then you might have something to complain about. This just chips away and chips away . I dont want to be a police officer anymore.

We’ve told you about some of the instances where people have been targeted for “thought crimes” and the response has been that there must have been something else, some other crime, going on. The stickering, the offensive ribbons, the mild Twitter posts, they must have been the Cherry on a cake of harassment and continued abuse.
But what if that was not the case? What if the police were repeatedly persecuting people for holding gender critical beliefs, whilst simultaneously failing to deal with objectively more serious offences? That’s what we are telling you is happening. You are telling us, “We don’t believe you. We don’t think you’re telling us the whole story.”
What if you’re wrong?

Police officers of Mumsnet.

I'd just like to know one thing.

If someone complains about a tweet, and an incident is 'recorded' so it creates a box. And officers go and speak to the tweeter for example, for being 'untoward about paedophiles' and tells the tweeter off. And then goes away. Question - is that now a solved incident and a tick in the box that gets fed back up the line as being 'policing success and crime solved'?

So, if I offer a statistic — say, 95% of sex offenders are male — do you get really offended and defensive and say that I hate you because you're male and therefore assume you're one of the sex offenders in the stats? Because that's what you're saying each time someone here says 'police officers' and you take it to mean you personally.

If you do hear that as criticism of you personally, do you think you should be in such a position of authority? Your inability to hear a bad word about the police, your lack of self-awareness and critical thinking skills, your mansplaining and your certainty that you are right and we are wrong would all indicate to me that you're not cut out for the job.

Don't take the rants to heart - everyone is in firing range - nurses (cruel), GPs ( lazy), police (rapist wokies), Doctor’s (can't do the job they're trained for) the only reason there are no complaints about teachers and rants against Gov is the schools aren't back yet and There's no PM at the mo....

Well come on police officers please respond on behalf of 30,000 Met police and who knows how many others in the country - why aren't you answering on behalf of all those tens of thousands of police - you must know what they are all doing at any one time

I had to report a flasher to the police recently.he was standing in the road at the bottom of my garden w….king.

The only reason that this is relevant is that I had to discuss with DH when then it was worth it, would anyone take it seriously and indeed, was going to be allowed to say that the w….nker was a man. I decided to report it because our road is pedestrian only and has a lots of mums with buggy’s, small children etc, and is lined with a thick hedgerow. There was another identifier which I dare not mention.

Actually, it was fine. A PC ( not a PCOS) turned up, took my statement, said it was logged and they would ‘ keep an eye on it’ . He implied this wasn’t the first or only report.

The sad thing is that ten years ago, it would not have occurred to me not to report it straightaway. I wouldn’t have wondered whether they would take it seriously, or whether I might get enmeshed in the PC side of things.

I thought it was great we had a couple of police officers on the thread. I'd like them to stay! Seriously the issue is with the leaders, I'd love the police officers to get their Federation to take up some of these things. They'd be onto a winner.

I've tried extremely hard to explain that that is not me as a "police officer " lumped into that great big homogeneous lump .

Then maybe don't make it all about you?

She's asking about a particular procedure. Is that not standardised?

Another one that's not prepared to listen. Ok then.

It is a simple enough question. If someone creates an issue, and the officers go and talk to a person does it become solved and thus a tick in the box for crimes sorted?

Any of the officers on here can answer. As at least 2 seem to be here.

The statements can't be done via dicta-phone - witness & victim statements have to be read and singed by the people at the scene.

@Felix125 I've given and signed statements electronically.

You've said yourself that you aren't on Response any more. Those who are really do need to be fit.

Answer. No There are around 20 filing codes . These range from 1) charges/summonsed to

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First not everything is crimed . An incident can be written off without a crime no if no offence . So no tick in any box

If it's crimed there are only 8 out of 20 filing codes that are a "solved crime" . How often do you think we use those ?

8 out of 20 ? If someone is charged with an offence that's no 1 code - outcome 1 . Outcome 18 is investigation gone as far as possible, no further line of enquiry, closed - not solved .

There are no "ticks in boxes"

The only stats are for the home office
You can pretend you solved something you didn't - everything has to be proven , t "s crossed and I dotted .

• you CANT pretend you solved something that should say

Wow that was hard to understand.

So. If someone reports an offence, and officers visit the offender they would presumably think an offence had been committed.

So if talking to the 'offender' doesn't result in any resolution then what would resolve it?

Welcome to my world . !

No is the answer to the first question- sometimes someone will report something, so you'll go to the "offender" as you say to get their version of events .
You learn fast that there are always 2 sides to every story . You often need to speak to both sides to try and pick the bones of truth out of what is being reported.

Sometimes even if no offence you might try and mediate between people.

I don't understand the last bit of the question-
If there is a criminal offence , we record it , and gather evidence to prove or disprove the allegation.

If no criminal offence - we have no role to play .

We can't make people get on or agree with each other obviously. But being offended by something is the same as being subject to a criminal offence.

Jesus this
Phone -

Being offended by something is NOT the same as being subject to a criminal offence I mean .

I don't understand the last bit of the question-
If there is a criminal offence , we record it , and gather evidence to prove or disprove the allegation.

If no criminal offence - we have no role to play

Yes it is confusing to me, hence asking.

If no offence, then no need to talk to the offender (as no offence). So if a policeperson goes to the trouble of visiting an 'offender' then would we assume that an offence has indeed been shown to have been committed.

I'm asking genuinely as people seem to be being spoken to after reports of their online activity but there is some confusion about whether offences were committed in the first place. If not, why go round their houses to speak to them?

We might want to speak to them to find out their side -

So if an allegation is made - our job is to look into that allegation and decide if a crime has been committed or not. The only way to do that often is talk to people.

So if you are visited by a police officer it doesn't mean you're guilty of an offence- it means they're trying to find out what's happened.

If we just believed everything we were told on face value the public would be in trouble because people do tell fibs to us quite a lot !