How significant is this report that claims the public feels police officers are "more interested in being woke than solving crimes"?

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Home Secretary should reform failing police forces - think tank https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-627323366^

Very pleased to see this statement, and the BBC reporting it, but is it going to make a difference?

My sympathies. But your problems are your own.

They do not entitle you to shit on women.

Because I'm still a cop and I still know the law .
Yep I have an autistic some and a dd with cancer . I've got athritis. I'm still a police officer. That hasn't changed. 🤷🏻‍♀️

How have o shit on Women ? You have absolutely no idea what I've done for women in my years in the job . Have you ?

I aren't gonna bore
You . You won't listen anyway . I've worked in dv for years and years . Some of my victims are now friends . My area
I expertise is dv / sexual offences.
But yu think I'm a man and a liar 😂. So . 🤷🏻‍♀️

You have now thrown all kinds of issues ever possible at us, with your new claims regarding you and your family, plus chucking guilting, and victimism at us, while still claiming to be a currently operational police officer with knowledge of law and legislation!!!

Hmmmm!!

Just because you disagree with someone does not mean she must really be a man. And as much as I think she has the wrong end of the stick here, it's not because she is standing up for men.

I sympathise with this poster's personal issues and I think it's probably best they log off and hide this thread, or name change. I don't see why they need to dereg if this forum is a source of support.

But these family and personal issues have zero to do with this thread, or what women have posted on it. People are angry. We all pretty much said the same, we are tired of being patronised and dismissed and of the over-defensive response to any criticism of the institution itself in general.

I would just like to
Leave . When my posts have gone .

I think you might need to go on a 'safety on the internet' course when you can.

You say you are scared of being found and yet you post reams of personal info on here that could easily be used to find you. For no apparent reason.

And nobody is threatening you on here. If your facebook is linked, you might want to rethink that link. Or report that message if it is threatening.

But i assume you'd want your concerns to be high on the list, so hope that nobody has tweeted anything to upset someone else in your area recently.

I have no confidence that Brighton Police will police Posie's event properly 😕

I'm really really disappointed to see Vicar's stance on this. I remember seeing her posts on the relationship board supporting women in DV situations when I first joined over a decade and being impressed by her thoughtfulness and good sense. If she can't see the danger posed by a politicised police force acting like something out of a Kafka novel it's incredibly worrying.

But these family and personal issues have zero to do with this thread, or what women have posted on it. People are angry. We all pretty much said the same, we are tired of being patronised and dismissed and of the over-defensive response to any criticism of the institution itself in general.

Exactly, despite pointing it out repeatedly that it was the institution not any one particular individual in that institution, a complete lack of basic comprehension and thinking skills.

I'm pleased to hear that she's offered good advice elsewhere. Watching this thread go round in circles, plus the 'this never happens' attitude and the denial that we might know anything, I'd assumed that this was a novel TRA attempt to keep women busy.

It's been educational, if depressing. Kudos to all the patient women who spelled out the evidence and tried to explain. We need to remove all flags, tokens, banners and colours from the police. No more rainbow helmets and lanyards. Every day needs to be the same to them: a day to police without fear or favour. No one to get special treatment from the police.

It really is 'us and them'.

Someone who is in a position to put a non crime hate incident on someone's file (without their knowledge or right of reply), cannot see how this can be misused and then runs away when shown exactly how it could be misused because their job is important.

Pity the general run of the mill adult human female doesn't have that option. They have had to just suck it up and lose their jobs for standing up for themselves.

Never mind if they or their kids are put at risk.

I'd like to say I'm shocked but really, this is how it is.

And why this thread is here in the first place.

We need to remove all flags, tokens, banners and colours from the police. No more rainbow helmets and lanyards. Every day needs to be the same to them: a day to police without fear or favour. No one to get special treatment from the police.

This.

Also her fundamental misunderstanding of the Harry Miller case was extremely frustrating.

Well said AlisonDonut.

The total refusal to read the actual legal judgements or details of cases shows exactly what we are dealing with.

It's not that surprising. It's well known that police tend to close ranks to criticism of any type.

It's very frustrating to see though, why come and say certain things don't happen without even doing a cursory amount of research?

So, the way it works is that the PCSO raises a job - she basically phones in and speaks to civilian call-taker who takes the details. PCSO may also report this on line as member of the public can do now.

Civilian call taker takes the details as given by the member of the public/PCSO.
'Its a sticker in the widow which is not offensive and just expresses an opinion"
or
'Its a nasty vicious sticker which is committing offences'

People often embellish things to get a response and what we get sent to is often a mile away from what is reported.

Either way, the call taker hasn't seen it and can't make a judgement. If it comes in as the first version, it might just get dismissed at source
If it comes in as the second version - call taker then passes this onto a civilian dispatcher as it appears to be committing offences. Call taker might ask the caller for further details, but is just getting their view point and further embellishments.

Dispatcher then grades the job based on threat harm & risk. Dispatcher may also do some back ground checks. It may reveal that this is not the first report of such activity involving this address. They may have also been complaints from other people concerning threats, harassment & other crimes. So dispatcher might see the sticker in the window as a further continuation - either way, they believe that it merits officers to attend to obtain more details. May be nothing, may be something - but dispatcher is not willing to write it off at this stage.

So it gets graded under threat, harm & risk as fairly low down. gets placed on the the non emergency event queue to be tasked as and when.

Officers eventually go and speak to all parties.

No where does it show that the officers have spoken to the people in a menacing and frightening way. Conclusion, no offences. job closed quickly as officers want to get back to more important stuff - like their ongoing crime queue or emergencies coming in.

Why the PCSO went back around after officers finalised the job - unknown. In my opinion they shouldn't have. Unless they can give a justifiable reason for doing so.

No where does it show that the officers have spoken to the people in a menacing and frightening way.

You don't have to speak to anyone in a menacing or frightening way to scare the shit out of them. You seem to have lost sight of the fact that you are the police, in uniform, and that a lot of ordinary law-abiding people are automatically nervous of the police arriving on their doorstep. Then when they hear that they're there because of a faded sticker in a window and they realise they're being accused of wrong-think, it's even more terrifying. An abandoned car or routine enquiry about a local crime is one thing: easily dealt with. But to be told your beliefs are wrong and you need to hide them or you could be prosecuted is really chilling.

Most of the people stickering and putting up posters are women, the most law-abiding section of society. Many of us have got a long way through our lives without much contact with the police. Please bear this in mind when you rock up on someone's doorstep to question them on these kind of matters. You know you're just you but they see the uniform and everything that goes with that.

Dispatcher then grades the job based on threat harm & risk. Dispatcher may also do some back ground checks. It may reveal that this is not the first report of such activity involving this address. They may have also been complaints from other people concerning threats, harassment & other crimes

Who knew stickers were so lethal?

So if a number of people decided to make a series of complaints about a sticker, it would all be added to the database? I believe that's called 'gaming the system'.

And the person would never know. And if you as an officer decided to record it as a non crime hate incident, it would be on their record with zero way of knowing or being able to appeal.

And you still think this is all fine and dandy?

And you have still never seen a pride flag at work, or seen those police adverts telling people to speak up if they see these non crime hate incidents to get them onto people's records, again with no knowledge or right of appeal.

So if a number of people decided to make a series of complaints about a sticker, it would all be added to the database? I believe that's called 'gaming the system'

Isn't it just. And then we get handwringing articles about how much "hate" there is.

The effect of the police turning up at [Miller’s] place of work because of his political opinions must not be underestimated. To do so would be to undervalue a cardinal democratic freedom. In this country we have never had a Cheka, a Gestapo or a Stasi. We have never lived in an Orwellian society.’

Justice Knowles, High Court Judge

No where does it show that the officers have spoken to the people in a menacing and frightening way. Conclusion, no offences. job closed quickly as officers want to get back to more important stuff - like their ongoing crime queue or emergencies coming in.

Except the recordings in this case show the PCSO DID.

What happened in this case was the PCSO took offence to the sticker herself. Officers went out to speak to the woman and concluded that the sticker was not illegal or offensive.

THEN the PCSO went back out to the woman's house to tell her to take the sticker down and lecture her about it.