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Boston Children's Hospital receives bomb threat after being "targeted" by Libs Of Tik Tok

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PeopleRock · 31/08/2022 07:39

www.nbcboston.com/news/local/police-investigate-after-bomb-threat-to-boston-childrens-hospital/2822245/

Libs Of Tik Tok are being unfairly blamed for this after they exposed that the hospital offered 'gender affirming” hysterectomies on minors including 16-year-olds and “younger kids”'

twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1562885542806560768?s=19

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Xiaoxiong · 31/08/2022 07:43

I don't know what libs of tiktok are but a bomb threat is awful and all violence threatened or otherwise is completely unacceptable, full stop.

Not much more to say, really.

NecessaryScene · 31/08/2022 07:48

Libs of Tik Tok is an account run by some right-wing American woman who mainly reposts Tik Tok videos from insane teachers about how exciting it is to be taking the children in their class on "gender journeys" and the like.

Basically sunlight on a subculture to a wider audience.

I believe she recently reposted a bunch of cheery videos from Boston's Children Hospital about all their lovely "gender-affirming" care, and they didn't like the wrong people seeing their promo videos.

Plus they're busy editing all their web-pages to try to deny that they would ever perform procedures on under-18s, or ever have, despite lots of evidence to the contrary (and the WPATH guidelines they say they follow saying they should).

So there's been a bunch of culture-war step up. Mostly right-leaning figures involved though, unlike here.

I believe BCH could be regarded as a sort of "Tavistock" in the US? They're one of the lead main centres for child "gender" stuff?

BCH are claiming it's all "misinformation" and "terrorism" etc. Classic playbook.

picklemewalnuts · 31/08/2022 07:53

That's appalling!
It's a turn about though. I assumed at first the hospital has stopped performing GA surgery, or said something GC.
Clearly America is a whole different ballgame, in terms of who is prepared to make threats of violence.

dandelionthistle · 31/08/2022 08:00

That's abhorrent. Nobody should be making bomb threats to anyone over this, whether credible or otherwise. Awful for those working or receiving treatment at the hospital.

I don't see that this is on Libs of Tik Tok, it's on whoever was making the bomb threats.

And I think it's a solid example of how the opposition to gender ideology in the US and the UK is quite different, although I'm sure there will be those happily conflating them to demonstrate that a bunch of lefty UK feminists are basically terrorist-adjacent.

dandelionthistle · 31/08/2022 08:00

That's abhorrent. Nobody should be making bomb threats to anyone over this, whether credible or otherwise. Awful for those working or receiving treatment at the hospital.

I don't see that this is on Libs of Tik Tok, it's on whoever was making the bomb threats.

And I think it's a solid example of how the opposition to gender ideology in the US and the UK is quite different, although I'm sure there will be those happily conflating them to demonstrate that a bunch of lefty UK feminists are basically terrorist-adjacent.

NecessaryScene · 31/08/2022 08:02

Clearly America is a whole different ballgame, in terms of who is prepared to make threats of violence.

Yep. There's some real crazy out there. The level of tribalism is such that I can equally believe that it's a right-winger so convinced the "leftist agenda" is so satanic that they need to be putting the fear of god into them, or someone so neck deep in the "protect trans kids" stuff that they think anything is justified in trying to discredit legitimate critics.

Or could equally be just a random troll who sees the opportunity for mischief or a sort of "power", wanting to pour fuel onto a fire.

Regardless of who actually did it, then you've got partisan actors more than willing to run with their preferred interpretation, in the absence of any facts, or even in contradiction to known facts. Just like the daft KF "swatting" thing last week.

Seems a long, long way from the Cass review...

I believe Libs of Tik Tok is currently suspended (for "misinformation" - ie reposting BCH's videos?).

I know you can see stuff related to this from Colin Wright and "Billboard Chris".

twitter.com/SwipeWright
twitter.com/BillboardChris

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 31/08/2022 08:06

Clearly America is a whole different ballgame, in terms of who is prepared to make threats of violence.

Yeah in America the opposition to genderism is dominated by the right wing - feminists have been trying to raise the alarm for years but feminists don't have much of a platform. So now the likes of Matt Walsh have latched on to genderism as a useful political issue for them, they've brought a lot of aggressive men just looking for an outlet with them. It's absolutely fucked up, did anyone see the pictures of the drag queen brunch for children thing at a library in Texas where protestors on both sides were armed? I can't understand the parents who'd bring their children to that! Violent aggressive men on both sides of the "debate" over there.

NecessaryScene · 31/08/2022 08:07

Regardless of who actually did it, then you've got partisan actors more than willing to run with their preferred interpretation

To wit, from a couple of days ago:

twitter.com/NPR/status/1563254727642849281
twitter.com/SwipeWright/status/1563540442771116032

Boston Children's Hospital receives bomb threat after being "targeted" by Libs Of Tik Tok
Boston Children's Hospital receives bomb threat after being "targeted" by Libs Of Tik Tok
ArabellaScott · 31/08/2022 08:09

Sounds like the Twitter account are whistleblowers, and we know what tends to happen to whistleblowers.

Of course, bomb threats are unacceptable, I'd hope that goes without saying.

ArabellaScott · 31/08/2022 08:13

Is that hospital workers saying they carry out hysterectomies on children younger than 16? Is that what she's really actually saying, because I feel a bit sick.

Hoardasurass · 31/08/2022 08:18

@ArabellaScott yes that's what she's saying and Haa the evidence

NecessaryScene · 31/08/2022 08:19

We're doing that thing where they're flipping between "that didn't happen, and if it did, it wasn't that bad".

And the right-wingers can see it, and they're not impressed. The situation is not being calmed.

A couple of recent Matt Walsh tweets:

Libs of TikTok called a hospital to ask if they perform "gender-affirming" hysterectomies on children. The first person she talked to said yes. Another employee agreed. The hospitals own website confirmed it. And yet the media accuses LoTT of "misinformation." Absolute insanity.


Your response to adolescent girls having their breasts chopped off is "their body, their choice"? Are you as insane as this comment makes you appear or are you just pretending so that nobody calls you transphobic?

deeperthanallroses · 31/08/2022 08:35

The us is crazy. As is Canada I should say based on a tweet I saw today saying you can’t use the word tribe unless you’re indigenous. Both sides are crazy, I think I’m scared off the entire topic there.
re Bch they may have only gone to 17 not 18 (I’m not saying that’s ok) could the younger stuff only be for dsd? It’s so hard to tell what’s actually going on.

deeperthanallroses · 31/08/2022 08:35

oh and bomb threats are never ever ok, to be clear!!

FunnyTalks · 31/08/2022 08:38

deadwildroses.com/2019/10/07/handy-venn-diagrams-the-radical-feminist-position-on-gender/

I'm rubbish at links but hopefully this takes you to a handy venn diagram of where religious conservatives, feminists and genderists all intersect.

Just getting it in here before tedious posts conflating feminism with rights wing conservatives pop up.

As PP mentioned, of the 3, feminists have the least power (due to the fact genderists and right wing conservatives both prioritise males) so in the US it seems as if the choice is between which flavour misogynists you want in charge.

Bomb threats are awful.

So is sterilising gay /non neurotypical children.

This is why we need to be able to discuss this issue freely, normally, rationally.

inkjet · 31/08/2022 09:19

From the phonecall it sounded like they’d possibly done it on girls younger than 16 too, it wasn’t 100% clear but she said they’d had all ages.

Helleofabore · 31/08/2022 09:21

I guess it is the same old story then.

A twitter account who seeks to expose what is happening is held to blame for someone who threatens violence to an organisation who is doing what the twitter account has thrown a spotlight on.

However, because that twitter account exposed what the organisation was downplaying it is the twitter account that was wrong. And therefore we all should remain silent.

AlisonDonut · 31/08/2022 09:23

When America properly [redacted - rhymes with squeaks], the response will be much more aggressive just due to the much more aggressive nature of America.

ArabellaScott · 31/08/2022 09:25

www.nbcboston.com/news/local/threats-against-boston-childrens-hospital-leave-doctors-concerned-for-family-safety/2811185/

Boston Children's became the focus of far-right social media accounts, news outlets and bloggers last week after they found informational YouTube videos published by the hospital weeks ago about surgical offerings for transgender patients.

surgical offerings.

Interesting choice of phrase.

TheKeatingFive · 31/08/2022 09:25

The bomb threat is of course appalling.

Is the hospital being investigated on the back of this though? Those are some serious allegations that don't sound unfounded at all.

NecessaryScene · 31/08/2022 09:33

Those are some serious allegations that don't sound unfounded at all.

But they're all coming from "right-wingers", so it's all just baseless political attacks, so they don't need to be addressed.

Jesse Singal had an exasperated thread the other day about how he'd dissected a study touted to show "reduced suicidality" didn't at all, and the outfit involved felt no need to address it, because no "left-wing" outlets covered it.

twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1563903934942662658

I've now read the full cache of emails Rantz obtained, and I can't overemphasize how much cover was provided to UW by the fact that after my initial article, it was only conservative outlets that reached out about this scandal.

The comms team is explicit about this over and over in their internal emails. Because it's The College Fix and The Daily Caller &c reaching out, they see no need to engage or respond. Lib outlets had no interest in pursuing a story about a hospital distorting suicide research.

Of course if the hospital had engaged in the exact same unethical behavior regarding, say, a new antidepressant, every liberal outlet would have been all over it. But because you're not allowed to question youth gender medicine in polite liberal company, silence.

ArabellaScott · 31/08/2022 09:35

Here's the archive of the page.

web.archive.org/web/20220818184945/childrensnational.org/departments/pediatric-gynecology-program

Copy and paste:

'The following services are available for patients between the ages of 0-21:

Gynecology care for the treatment of:

Menstrual concerns

Pelvic pain

Endometriosis

Polycystic ovarian syndrome

Early or delayed puberty

Contraception

Screening for sexually transmitted infections

Routine and emergent surgical management of Polycystic ovarian syndrome, ovarian masses, ovarian torsion, vulvar trauma, hymenal abnormalities and congenital anomalies of the reproductive tract

Fertility preservation counseling and hormone replacement therapy for patients at risk for – or
experiencing – ovarian failure

Gender-affirming medical care and gender-affirming hysterectomy'

The hospital have since tweeted that they won't perform 'gender-affirming hysterectomy' on under 18s.

The recorded phone call suggested they would do that for a 16 year old.

www.libsoftiktok.com/p/audio-childrens-hospital-admits-to?sd=pf&triedSigningIn=true

ArabellaScott · 31/08/2022 09:38

Mastectomies for 15 yos with parental consent.

www.childrenshospital.org/treatments/chest-reconstruction

'The clinicians in the Center for Gender Surgery at Boston Children's Hospital offer chest reconstruction surgery as a gender affirmation procedure to eligible patients who have documented and persistent gender dysphoria and who are over age 18 (or over age 15 with parental consent).'

TheKeatingFive · 31/08/2022 09:41

I saw that thread. Absolutely appalling.

Of course if the hospital had engaged in the exact same unethical behavior regarding, say, a new antidepressant, every liberal outlet would have been all over it. But because you're not allowed to question youth gender medicine in polite liberal company, silence.

It's really worrying where we've got to with this. I keep wondering how it happened.

Having said that I agree that when the shit hits the fan in the US it will do so in a big way. Dreadful times coming (though the lawyers will see the silver lining, I'm sure)

littlbrowndog · 31/08/2022 09:42

Unbelievable

why the heck doctors are cutting of young girls breasts and giving them hysterectomy

to affirm their gender. 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️