Boston Children's Hospital receives bomb threat after being "targeted" by Libs Of Tik Tok

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www.nbcboston.com/news/local/police-investigate-after-bomb-threat-to-boston-childrens-hospital/2822245/

Libs Of Tik Tok are being unfairly blamed for this after they exposed that the hospital offered 'gender affirming” hysterectomies on minors including 16-year-olds and “younger kids”'

twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1562885542806560768?s=19

I don't really care what you think, I only care about the meddling in US politics and the pretending that you don't understand that this ultimately has a negative effect on American women just because you hate men in dresses.

We don’t hate men in dresses, we just don't believe putting on a dress makes a man change into a woman.

You think we are the ones who are causing harm to children? We are the ones speaking out against children being harmed by this ideology. Do you not think that teenage girls having mastectomies and hysterectomies is causing them harm?

And on top of that, the "empowerment" surely comes from the Democrats supporting policies that are obviously wrong that Republicans can make them look like idiots (or worse) for supporting.

If a party does wrong and creates open goals, it can't demand that people don't point out its wrongdoing so as not to "empower" our mutual enemies. We will not be complicit in its crimes, and do not accept this forced teaming.

When you work to empower them you are causing harm to women and children here and that's not acceptable to me

But performing hysterectomies on teens is acceptable to you? Listen to yourself.

There are two awful groups of people in my view.

The group removing the healthy breasts and uteruses of healthy gender non-conforming girls.

And the group that is determined to silence anyone with concerns about such a practice and shouts down anyone who does so with cries of “bigot!” “Fascist!” and “Terrorist!”

For all the talk of right and wrong side of history, I am 100% confident I am on the right side by not being in either of those two groups.

In the end it all comes down to the same thing: that we might see that some horrible things are happening, but we have to keep our horror to ourselves.

The worst thing is being effective in telling other people about the horrible things. Because the "wrong kind of people" might learn about them.

Who is that supposed to benefit? Not the children caught up in this that's for sure. Rochdale is a good analogy here.

Absolutely this. I think its very telling just how dismissive some concerned individuals are of the lived experience of detransitioners. Surely, anyone hearing their stories, would want to make sure organisations, doctors, schools, parents etc aren't blindly leading other children to a similar fate? Even if you believe in gender identity, sacrificing children who aren't "truly trans" would be abhorrent?

Adult human females in the UK may comfort themselves with the idea that they can try to thread the needle of separating the T from the LGB while keeping all the other good stuff like same sex marriage and the Equality Act

you do realise this doesn’t actually make any sense, right?

pretending people can change sex has absolutely nothing to do with same sex marriage

pretending people can change sex has absolutely nothing to do with understanding and attempting to mitigate the disadvantages women face due to bearing children

Yes @nauticant that's well observed. Some of life's most disturbing realities are too much to look at - partly because they are uncomfortable (we don't want to look at things that cause is anxiety) and because we have to do something about them - and because doing something is hard. We may lose friends, family, reputation...

When I tried to get help, as an abused child back in the 70s/80s, I was keenly aware that my news was very unwelcome. Nobody did anything, I was branded a liar and the abuse continued - because the adults were uncomfortable and sure, it was easier to turn a blind eye. As an adult, my former therapist once described me as a compulsive whistle-blower. He wasn't wrong. It's partly why I am riveted by this unfolding medical scandal.

It’s horrific enough that teenagers are being sterilised. But a hysterectomy can also cause a lot more internal damage, with lifelong effects. It should never be done except to solve a serious medical condition, not a psychological issue.

pretending people can change sex has absolutely nothing to do with same sex marriage

That’s true. But I have read that the Gender Recognition Act was an attempt to placate those who supported same-sex marriage. And that’s never made sense to me. No lesbian or gay man would pretend to change sex just so they could marry, surely? And creating the legal fiction that humans could change sex is a much bigger leap than just allowing people to marry who they like.

Can anyone explain why that’s suggested as a reason for the GRA?

It’s horrific enough that teenagers are being sterilised. But a hysterectomy can also cause a lot more internal damage, with lifelong effects. It should never be done except to solve a serious medical condition, not a psychological issue.

There is a second-order issue here in that if women do take testosterone long-term, then enough damage to the reproductive organs can occur that a hysterectomy will become medically necessary anyway. Any woman taking testosterone is setting themselves on the path to a future hysterectomy.

I'm not sure what the stats are on this, but my understanding is that we're talking a significant proportion of female transitioners. Buck Angel's one of those who has spoken of personal experience here.

That’s true. But I have read that the Gender Recognition Act was an attempt to placate those who supported same-sex marriage.

Wrong way round. It would have been to placate those who didn't support same-sex marriage in general, by making a very limited exception for transitioned people.

As it happened, same sex marriage and the GRA happened almost simultaneously, but everything leading up to the GRA was all fundamentally rooted in one homosexual transwoman being unable to marry a male partner, despite having been partially legally recognised as "female".

There was a ECHR(?) judgment that "if the state is going to recognise a male as female, they have to to it fully enough to let them have a family life, etc", so the GRA expanded the more limited existing patchwork recognition to cover marriage. But it was almost immediately redundant on the specific marriage point that prompted it. I'm not sure what other major things it added.

As it happened, same sex marriage and the GRA happened almost simultaneously,

Not simultaneously. The GRA preceded same sex marriage by about 10 years.

I assume it's a reference to Civil Partnership Act 2004. A lot of similarities, some differences.

Not simultaneously. The GRA preceded same sex marriage by about 10 years.

Good catch. But civil partnerships, which provide all the same actual rights as marriage, came in 2004. And it was the actual impact on the transwoman's life that was the issue in the ECHR case, not the wording on the certificate, so I think being able to get a civil partnership would have likely been sufficient to avoid the ECHR judgment.

I didn't say that it was acceptable. What I said is that you are not coming from a place of care and concern for the state of women and children in the US, you are coming from a place where your focus on one issue, whether I support it or not, causes you to disregard the overall impact of your activism on women in the US.

You don't know for fact if hysterectomies are being performed on minors at Boston Children's Hospital, you only know what Libs of Tik Tok posted. They are not some shining truth seeker, they are someone who was posting really disgusting things about a sixteen year old girl who was shot to death in the street by the police. So when posters come on here and defend the site I have to assume that they are consuming all of its material in a positive manner, which leaves me with a pretty low opinion of them. Especially as regards their impression of themselves as feminists.

It's not forced teaming. It's voluntary teaming. That's why this isn't a feminist page. It's an alt right page.

The injection of US style political polarisation and identity politics into the debate for those places that actually exist outside of the US (amazingly these do exist) has been so damaging.

What I said is that you are not coming from a place of care and concern for the state of women and children in the US

Of course people calling for an investigation into hysterectomies performed on healthy children are. You, on the other hand, are so blinded by your own prejudices you can't see wood for trees.

You don't know for fact if hysterectomies are being performed on minors at Boston Children's Hospital, you only know what Libs of Tik Tok posted.

And did it escape you that they had audio recordings of staff admitting to the point? I never said I knew anything for a fact, rather what they unearthed merits further investigation.

I asked on another thread how on earth we had come to this point where we seemingly cannot talk about these issues and the potential harms we are actively doing to children?

You have given me great insight as to how we've 'got here' and how the road back will be so difficult to navigate, so uh, thanks. I guess 🤷‍♀️

Goes off to bang head against the wall at the stupidity of the world

The injection of US style political polarisation and identity politics into the debate for those places that actually exist outside of the US (amazingly these do exist) has been so damaging.

Its absolutely fucking toxic

It does make sense because the UK has legal protections for women and LGB people that are separate from what exists in law for trans individuals. This is not the case in the US and the anti LGBTQ movement here applies to the whole shebang .

You may be able to achieve your anti trans goals without sacrificing LGB rights in the UK but that is not the case here.

I just cannot get over the stupidity of the position being stated here

I.e 'our role as the good guys, supporters of women and children, necessitates turning blind eye to hospital admitted practises of performing hysterectomies on healthy minors'

What the actual fuck is going on?

This is why I don't involve myself in any way with the debate in your country. Any more than I would get involved with the Brexit debate or any of the tragic stories of terminally ill children being removed from life support. I appreciate that there is much about UK laws and and customs that I don't understand and that I would be carrying US baggage into the fray.

I saw as a young person the support the IRA received in the US. Those people all thought they were doing God's work too. It was wrong.

It is toxic. This board is toxic. I read this board for years. I used the information I gleaned here to refute trans activists in the US. I've been thrown off of several sites for speaking out. But what I see now is not feminism, it is exactly what I saw on social media in the US starting in 2016.

Again, I didn't say that. And I didn't call you stupid but I can if we need to go there. I am not stupid. For instance "stated" means that someone has actually stated something. I haven't stated that and for you to say that I have is deceitful.

Boston Children's Hospital has not admitted to performing hysterectomies on minors. Boston Children's Hospital is a world class facility that has been deluged with emails, phone calls, internet attacks and now a bomb threat over the posts from Libs of Tik Tok. This isn't happening in your country. It's happening in my country and I very much resent seeing a NICU cleared due to terrorism.

There are plenty of ways to discuss your feelings, concerns, facts, position, opinion, etc. without supporting this particular site or defending it.