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Boston Children's Hospital receives bomb threat after being "targeted" by Libs Of Tik Tok

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PeopleRock · 31/08/2022 07:39

www.nbcboston.com/news/local/police-investigate-after-bomb-threat-to-boston-childrens-hospital/2822245/

Libs Of Tik Tok are being unfairly blamed for this after they exposed that the hospital offered 'gender affirming” hysterectomies on minors including 16-year-olds and “younger kids”'

twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1562885542806560768?s=19

OP posts:
NotBadConsidering · 31/08/2022 09:54

For clarity, the link in the OP is Libs of TikTok exposing Children’s National Hospital in Washington D.C. with a phone call revealing they do gender affirming hysterectomies on children.

Libs of TikTok was one of many places sharing Boston Children’s Hospital’s own videos that raised awareness of what they do with gender affirming care. This was not unique to Libs of TikTok and many places sharing it were the usual left wing gender critical sources concerned as always.

Two separate hospitals.

It also states in the article:

Police have not described the nature of the threat Tuesday night or any details about what prompted their response.

It wasn't clear if there was a connection to a recent increase in threats to the institution, which Boston Children's Hospital recently warned its staff about. The threats were tied to care the facility offers to transgender youth.

So there is NO current evidence the bomb threat is related to concerns around gender affirming care and there is ZERO evidence and ZERO mention of Libs of TikTok in the NBC Boston article.

So the OP is a load of shit.

Blister · 31/08/2022 09:54

Bomb threat of children's hospital 😯
following
gender affirming hysterectomies for u16s😯

The real threat is that there are people willing to ignore either side of the word 'following' depending what suits them.

This is nuts.

ArabellaScott · 31/08/2022 09:54

Well, they are doing it here in the UK. In Scotland, we send 17 yos to England to have their breasts removed.

ArabellaScott · 31/08/2022 09:56

NotBadConsidering · 31/08/2022 09:54

For clarity, the link in the OP is Libs of TikTok exposing Children’s National Hospital in Washington D.C. with a phone call revealing they do gender affirming hysterectomies on children.

Libs of TikTok was one of many places sharing Boston Children’s Hospital’s own videos that raised awareness of what they do with gender affirming care. This was not unique to Libs of TikTok and many places sharing it were the usual left wing gender critical sources concerned as always.

Two separate hospitals.

It also states in the article:

Police have not described the nature of the threat Tuesday night or any details about what prompted their response.

It wasn't clear if there was a connection to a recent increase in threats to the institution, which Boston Children's Hospital recently warned its staff about. The threats were tied to care the facility offers to transgender youth.

So there is NO current evidence the bomb threat is related to concerns around gender affirming care and there is ZERO evidence and ZERO mention of Libs of TikTok in the NBC Boston article.

So the OP is a load of shit.

It's true, I suppose, that there were reports of a bomb threat that happened after libsoftiktock had posted about the hospital.

The implied causal connection is up for debate.

NecessaryScene · 31/08/2022 10:03

I don't know how many bomb threats they get a year. Any?

I think it's not unreasonable to infer that their high profile the last few weeks has led to this one, and that they wouldn't have got this one without that profile. Maybe someone else would, if it's just a crazy "I like making bomb threats cos it's fun" person.

Regardless, "you can't talk about X because someone might hear their name and decide to do something crazy" isn't a tenable policy.

Although a lot of authoritarians seem to think it would be. You see the term "stochastic terrorism" being thrown about to describe it.

Always very asymmetrical though. It's "you can't talk about the things I support because someone might do something crazy". Never any qualms about saying the most heinous stuff about things or people they don't like.

NotBadConsidering · 31/08/2022 10:05

ArabellaScott · 31/08/2022 09:56

It's true, I suppose, that there were reports of a bomb threat that happened after libsoftiktock had posted about the hospital.

The implied causal connection is up for debate.

And again to emphasise, the article is about a bomb threat to Boston Children’s Hospital but the OP has linked a Libs of TikTok post about National Children’s Hospital in Washington D.C.

Completely different hospitals.

NecessaryScene · 31/08/2022 10:13

Completely different hospitals.

The post is about both hospitals - about how the Washington hospital changed their website after the reports on BCH, which has been the main hospital I've heard talked about the last week or two regarding the child gender stuff.

NotBadConsidering · 31/08/2022 10:30

NecessaryScene · 31/08/2022 10:13

Completely different hospitals.

The post is about both hospitals - about how the Washington hospital changed their website after the reports on BCH, which has been the main hospital I've heard talked about the last week or two regarding the child gender stuff.

The news article from NBC Boston doesn’t mention Children’s National DC.

The Libs of TikTok post only mentions Boston Children’s Hospital in the context of their exposure led to Children’s National changing its website.

ArabellaScott · 31/08/2022 10:35

NotBadConsidering · 31/08/2022 10:05

And again to emphasise, the article is about a bomb threat to Boston Children’s Hospital but the OP has linked a Libs of TikTok post about National Children’s Hospital in Washington D.C.

Completely different hospitals.

Ahh, good lord, apologies, I completely missed that! Thanks.

NecessaryScene · 31/08/2022 10:38

The news article from NBC Boston doesn’t mention Children’s National DC.

Right, because we're not talking about them.

That wasn't the most directly-relevant possible LoTT link, as it's moving on to discussion of that hospital, but read its first paragraph and follow the link to the original coverage, which was focussed on BCH:

Last week, I was viciously attacked by the media for raising awareness about Boston Children’s Hospital offering gender-affirming hysterectomies for young girls. Left-wing activists called for me to be banned from social media for drawing attention to a practice Boston Children’s Hospital was publicly advertising. The attacks lasted for a week.

NotBadConsidering · 31/08/2022 11:08

It’s shoddy journalism.

There was a bomb threat.

Police say they don’t know the nature of it.

Article says it’s not clear if there’s a link to increased threats, but writes two paragraphs linking it to threats about trans health care.

Then the OP links it to LoTT, without evidence. And a reminder, all LoTT did 3 weeks ago with its original post about Boston Children’s was to report its own website information about the treatments and surgeries it Carrie’s out on children.

There’s been a bomb thread. Abhorrent. No one knows who or why, and even the motives of the individual become evident and it was because of BCH’s gender affirming treatments, it is in no way the fault of the person who brought that news to wider attention, it is only the fault who thought a proportionate response was to threaten a bomb. It could quite easily eventuate that the bomb threat was related to something else entirely. It seems not that infrequent an occurrence in the US:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/09/nyregion/guns-hospital-employee-threat-new-jersey.html

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/10/20/bomb-threat-locks-down-walter-reed-hospital-navy-base.html

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/rhode-island-man-arrested-allegedly-calling-bomb-threat-yale-new-haven-hospital

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/hospital-management-administration/new-hampshire-hospital-receives-hundreds-of-angry-calls-bomb-threat.html

LordLoveADuck · 31/08/2022 15:42

Any bomb threat could easily have been done by a TRA hoping to take the heat off of BCH after the damning LOTT revelations. Stop assuming what the motives were and who did this. I'm sure the FBI will find whoever was stupid enough to do this.

KatVonlabonk · 31/08/2022 18:42

Yep, the bomb threat needs a thorough investigation and punishment.

And also it fills me with horror that children's hospitals are preforming these surgeries. Lost count of the amount of TRAs that say it never happens.

Boxowine · 01/09/2022 03:12

NecessaryScene · 31/08/2022 07:48

Libs of Tik Tok is an account run by some right-wing American woman who mainly reposts Tik Tok videos from insane teachers about how exciting it is to be taking the children in their class on "gender journeys" and the like.

Basically sunlight on a subculture to a wider audience.

I believe she recently reposted a bunch of cheery videos from Boston's Children Hospital about all their lovely "gender-affirming" care, and they didn't like the wrong people seeing their promo videos.

Plus they're busy editing all their web-pages to try to deny that they would ever perform procedures on under-18s, or ever have, despite lots of evidence to the contrary (and the WPATH guidelines they say they follow saying they should).

So there's been a bunch of culture-war step up. Mostly right-leaning figures involved though, unlike here.

I believe BCH could be regarded as a sort of "Tavistock" in the US? They're one of the lead main centres for child "gender" stuff?

BCH are claiming it's all "misinformation" and "terrorism" etc. Classic playbook.

Libs of Tik Tok is run by Chaya Raichik, who is now employed by Seth Dillon. This means that libs of Tik Tok is now paid content but not to be confused with journalism. To me, that means that we have to consider the motives behind all of those involved. Seth Dillon is a multi millionaire Christian venture capitalist, whatever that means. There isn't very much info available on him as to where his money came from but there is a lot of money to be made in the US from pushing right wing media platforms, and it is an election year.

Rush Limbaugh
Alex Jones
Tucker Carlson
Seth Rogan
The Billy Graham Family
Focus on the Family

All communications companies worth hundreds of millions of dollars, all recipients of funds from angel investors, all have bankrolled smaller YouTube and other platform commentators. This is an election year in the US and right now the culture wars are hot.

If you look back at some of the archived stuff, libs of Tik Tok was mostly focused on disparaging people who were killed by the police, plus a lot of urban crime stuff. Oh and there was a lot of cancel culture, don't say this word. More than a little racist vibe. She really settled on anti LGBTQ posts, not just biology is real, but full on homophobic and transphobic posts.

Boston Children's Hospital is one of the most prestigious hospitals in the country, similar to Great Ormond. It's not just a gender clinic. They have been receiving harassment for weeks so the bomb threat is most likely related to the social media posts.

NotBadConsidering · 01/09/2022 03:29

They have been receiving harassment for weeks so the bomb threat is most likely related to the social media posts.

Again, given how common bomb threats are against American hospitals, why do you say “most likely”? Why not just wait for police confirmation as to the motives of the perpetrator? Unless you have an agenda that is.

And even if the perpetrator’s motive is anger at BCH’s blasé gender affirmation approach, how is that the fault of LoTT? Should no one report on the biggest medical scandal of the century?

Boxowine · 01/09/2022 03:59

FunnyTalks · 31/08/2022 08:38

deadwildroses.com/2019/10/07/handy-venn-diagrams-the-radical-feminist-position-on-gender/

I'm rubbish at links but hopefully this takes you to a handy venn diagram of where religious conservatives, feminists and genderists all intersect.

Just getting it in here before tedious posts conflating feminism with rights wing conservatives pop up.

As PP mentioned, of the 3, feminists have the least power (due to the fact genderists and right wing conservatives both prioritise males) so in the US it seems as if the choice is between which flavour misogynists you want in charge.

Bomb threats are awful.

So is sterilising gay /non neurotypical children.

This is why we need to be able to discuss this issue freely, normally, rationally.

It's not tedious because it's true. And I don't need to look at that stupid Venn diagram again. Adult human females in the UK may comfort themselves with the idea that they can try to thread the needle of separating the T from the LGB while keeping all the other good stuff like same sex marriage and the Equality Act. In the US, we don't have that luxury. We don't have an Equal Rights Amendment read into law, we no longer have federal protections for abortion rights and our same sex marriage and access to birth control are also under fire. The US is a place of extreme polarity, we are the wealthiest nation in the world but we have three times the maternal mortality as the UK, we incarcerate more of our citizens than anyone else in the world and twenty five per cent of our children live below the poverty rate.

Trans issues don't gain traction with the feminists here because we have bigger problems and have to prioritize. Also, we just don't want to get into bed with Matt Walsh and Chris Wright and now Libs of Tik Tok and by extension all of the right wing politicians they support.

You can call yourselves left leaning feminists all you want but when you insert yourselves into what's happening in the US you will be perceived as aligning with the alt right. Especially when you use this forum to amplify alt right forums.

Boxowine · 01/09/2022 04:12

LordLoveADuck · 31/08/2022 15:42

Any bomb threat could easily have been done by a TRA hoping to take the heat off of BCH after the damning LOTT revelations. Stop assuming what the motives were and who did this. I'm sure the FBI will find whoever was stupid enough to do this.

Who are you, Alex Jones? Calling this a false flag operation is exactly what he did after 26 children were murdered at Sandy Hook Elementary School. He made millions doing that. What's your motivation?

MarshaMelrose · 01/09/2022 04:14

Also, we just don't want to get into bed with Matt Walsh and Chris Wright and now Libs of Tik Tok and by extension all of the right wing politicians they support.

Why do you have to get into bed with anyone? Isn't it possible to have the same views on certain subjects and not on others. If an independent politician tried to introduce a law that everyone had to eat their first born, do you think right wingers would agree? Do you not think you'd all believe that was a preposterous idea?
Why can't you work with different groups on different projects to get a commonly wanted outcome? It doesn't mean you have to agree with all their other views.

Boxowine · 01/09/2022 04:43

US politics is different than UK politics. You are refusing to accept that we do not have independent politicians who work on achieving consensus on one issue at a time. The Republican party doesn't promote a feminist agenda. Its goal is the eradication of abortion rights, the dissolution of gay marriage along with employment protections, access to birth control, erosion of workers rights in general, and the removal of social support networks. When you work to empower them you are causing harm to women and children here and that's not acceptable to me. Even if you do really hate trans people or whatever it is that makes you think that issue is more important than all of the other things that makes someone a feminist.

Boxowine · 01/09/2022 04:56

Your analogy is pointless because no one has proposed a law that anyone has to eat their first born but we do have politicians who advocate for the imprisonment and execution of parents of LGBTQ children as well as politicians who want to imprison women who have abortions. So yeah, if you want to support these people, either directly or by extension the paid commentators who are working to get them elected, then I consider you to be in bed with them.
Or as we like to say, in their basket.

NotBadConsidering · 01/09/2022 05:24

I also remember when media claimed the protests at the Wi Spa were “far right activists” when the reality was it was a normal woman who was proven right about a male indecently exposing genitals in a female only area. So I’ll be waiting for more information before making any judgement based on media reports. The Wi Spa incident highlighted how left wing media are just as likely to lie as anyone else.

That people across the political spectrum are equally horrified by young adolescents having irreversible surgeries on their breasts and uteruses should cause people to stop and think, instead it causes people to band all of those people concerned together as “problematic”. It’s just deflection from the dissonance of how these deflectors know they should also be horrified, but can’t bring themselves to be because they’re terrified of independent thought and leaving the sacred caste.

Boxowine · 01/09/2022 06:08

You need to be more clear whether you are talking about the incident or the protests that took place on a later date. Those protests did have far right groups, one of whom stabbed a pro trans counter protester, another accidentally stabbed a fellow anti trans protestor, and an anti trans protestor also beat a reporter with a pipe.

You can look any of that up.

There was a trans individual named Precious Child who was incorrectly id'ed by GC activists as being the perpetrator and revived harassment online before the true culprit was found and charged.

I point all this out because I see a pattern here where the FWR posters all say that they all take a measured, nuanced approach and are critical thinkers and all the TRAs are now setting up false flag operations.
I don't really care what you think, I only care about the meddling in US politics and the pretending that you don't understand that this ultimately has a negative effect on American women just because you hate men in dresses.

NotBadConsidering · 01/09/2022 06:34

The woman who made the original complaint about a naked male was branded a far right Christian fundamentalist who was perpetrating a hoax by media outlets such as the Guardian. So I know exactly what to do when media organisations claim a bomb hoax is is due to critics of affirmative surgical procedures: wait for the actual evidence of such.

I don't really care what you think, I only care about the meddling in US politics and the pretending that you don't understand that this ultimately has a negative effect on American women just because you hate men in dresses.

And I don’t really care what you think either, and I won’t stop or ask others to stop calling out the greatest medical scandal of this century affecting children just because America is so loony that bomb threats towards hospitals are par for the course.

No one cares about American politics. This is solely about appropriate healthcare for children. It’s only the extremist left who bring politics into it, as if appropriate healthcare for children is a political position someone can take, like taxes or social welfare policies 🙄.

Boxowine · 01/09/2022 06:38

NotBadConsidering · 01/09/2022 03:29

They have been receiving harassment for weeks so the bomb threat is most likely related to the social media posts.

Again, given how common bomb threats are against American hospitals, why do you say “most likely”? Why not just wait for police confirmation as to the motives of the perpetrator? Unless you have an agenda that is.

And even if the perpetrator’s motive is anger at BCH’s blasé gender affirmation approach, how is that the fault of LoTT? Should no one report on the biggest medical scandal of the century?

Everybody has an agenda, including you. That's why you post here. I have been pretty clear about mine.

It is not common for American hospitals to receive bomb threats. Although it is something that has happened several times to abortion clinics. In fact, some have actually been bombed. By far right activists. Maybe that's why I don't think this is a reverse. The far right in the US are pretty open and honest about their violent intentions. I don't know why you don't believe them I do.

I'm more interested in why it's so important to deny any connection to Libs of Tik Tok or to deflect any blame, moral or legal. Just like it's so important to promote kiwi farms and Matt Walsh and all the rest. That's a lotta alt for left leaning feminists.

NotBadConsidering · 01/09/2022 06:54

I posted links to bomb threats to hospitals in the US just from this year alone! Do a Google news search limited to the past year, there a loads.

I'm more interested in why it's so important to deny any connection to Libs of Tik Tok or to deflect any blame, moral or legal. Just like it's so important to promote kiwi farms and Matt Walsh and all the rest

I just want the facts. Not speculation. Do you have anything other than speculation?

I think it’s a very feminist thing to do, to make sure a woman blowing the whistle on hospitals performing irreversible harm on children isn’t blamed for the actions of extremists who may have responded to such news with typical US lunatic reaction. It’s the First Rule of Misogyny.

Do you think no one should report on children and teenagers having mastectomies and hysterectomies?