What rights don't transpeople have?

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It's a question I have seen asked many times and it is rarely answered. When it is its usually a list of things that are not "rights" or a list of rights/demands not held by anyone else.

It appears Katie M has provided a list of Countries with each trans right they don't provide. KM has also provided source links however many just link to a chart with dots indicating the "trans right" that country doesn't have. No explanation as to why.
For example:

Albania - No legal name change at all.

Quick look and it turns out in Albania nobody can legally change their name. Anyone can socially change their name and change it on their passport and driving licence but nobody can change their BC. So this is not a right others have and trans are denied as implied by KM it is in fact the same rule for all.

While Albania like many countries is behind on LGB support/rights it appears that the lack of rights transpeople do not have are the same rights those who are LGB are also denied yet it seems only the fact that transpeople don't have them is what matters.

The list for each country is very much the same for those countries that share a geographical location/religion/culture and so the sources linked appear to be the same dot chart I mentioned earlier.

The UK list is interesting.

No legal gender recognition without mental health diagnosis. This only applies to changing your BC and the person must have medical support to state they have/had gender dysphoria. Nobody else in the UK has the right to change their BC

No legal gender recognition without spousal consent. This is so that spouses are not forced to be in a now same sex marriage without their consent once the transperson has changed their BC. Transpeople appear to want to remove the consent of others in a legally binding contract which marriage is

No legal ban on conversion therapy. The Conversion therapy ban in the UK is made up of 3 existing Acts. Sexual offences Act 2003. Criminal justice Act 1988 and the offences against person Act 1861. This covers all physical acts and medication abuse used in order to "convert a person's sexual orientation or gender identity". What the trans movement want is affectively counselling of transpeople banned. This means no transperson could seek therapy if they have feelings of GD or confusion around their gender. That is not a right.

No legal parenthood recognition. Any male or female who parents a child has the right to be legally recognised as either their mother or father dependingon the persons sex. Legally in the UK if you are the biological or adoptive parent you are legally recognised as mother if female and father if male. That right applies to all including transpeople.

No legal right to religious marriage. In the UK no religious organisation can be compelled to marry same sex couples so this is a right LGB people do not have also so why does it only matter for transpeople?

No practical access to trans healthcare. This is just a lie. Transpeople have the same access to healthcare as anyone else in the UK. What the source linked discusses is that some transpeople when polled stated they felt prejudice from some healthcare professionals which "put them off" seeking healthcare. While this prejudice is wrong it is sadly experienced by many different people due to their culture/racce/religion/sexual orientation. Transpeople have the same RIGHT to access healthcare un the UK as anyone else

I havent gone through the whole list but looking at certain countries the rights trans people claim not to have are either the same for all trans or not, women do not have those rights either or those in the LGB community also do not have those rights. It seems to me that the trans Community do not want equal rights or rights for women or those in the wider LGB community they just want trans rights (most of which are not rights) for transpeople only and screw everyone else.

It's taken 9 pages of twisting and goal post changing until I've got to the point where I've created a set which (seemingly satisfactorily) includes TW and women and excludes other men.

Where have you done that @Trying20?

Did you read my post at 11:30 where I explained why your explanation wasn't satisfactory?

And have you explained how this would work for transmen who don't have the male or non-trans privileges? Because if you're going to group women and transwomen together you have to use the same arguments for men and transmen.

I've said that comments like the ones above only create an unnecessary division which doesn't need to be there.

It definitely DOES need to be there. As mentioned, males getting blood from females that have been pregnant are at a higher risk of death. So for males as much as for females.

... I've created a set which (seemingly satisfactorily) includes TW and women and excludes other men.

Seemingly satisfactory to you, but not to most of us. You are trying to find a way to force-team women and men, in inappropriate situations, entirely against the interests of women.

So all I'm saying is that if someone is disagreeing and has to jump through all these hoops and navigate this (and it's a bit of a minefield, if we're being honest) - then more than likely they may need to consider whether their views are compatible. And whether, given that the other group appears to be generally rational and compassionate, there may be something unreasonable about the disagreer’s views.

(And if we’re being honest, non of the feminists who separate gender stereotypes from biological sex find it a minefield at all. It’s very clear to us that males cannot be women, and that the ideology which claims they can - to any degree - is extremely harmful to women and to society as a whole.)

I've created a set which (seemingly satisfactorily) includes TW and women and excludes other men.

Could you repeat this, please,because I can't see a definition of it anywhere? Thanks.

Seemingly satisfactory to you, but not to most of us. You are trying to find a way to force-team women and men, in inappropriate situations, entirely against the interests of women.

Yep.

What was the set again?

And you realise that this is just the same boss with a different look that you've been dealing with your whole bloody life as did centuries of women before you, and you've been a bit of a gullible twit all in all. And then you realise that it's time to be a bit less Neville Chamberlain.

This, with bells on.

put a load of people together and try to get them to write the most concise definition they can of a lion that gives enough detail to include all lions, but also exclude anything that isn't a lion - could go on forever

It won't go on forever:

Lion: an animal whose species is Panthera Leo.

Not lions:

Lion marked eggs, Lion Bars, Three Lions.

Please tell me where I've said that I don't have issue with any of the above?

Because you've frequently stated, implied, suggested that TW's demands should supersede them when it comes to single sex spaces.

And despite a little bit of handwringing about how 'complicated' it is, never once offered any workable suggestions as how they could then be protected from male bodies in their spaces.

Its clear as day. The worrying thing is that you probably don't even fully realise that's what you're doing.

How is the definition of an actual lion, that has a scientific meaning, circular? LOL.

I don't think Trying has actually provided a definition.

And what was the set again?

😂

The lion (Panthera leo) is a large catt^ of the genuss^ Pantheraa^ native to Africaa^ and Indiaa^. It has a muscular, broad-chested body, short, rounded head, round ears, and a hairy tuft at the end of its tail. It is sexually dimorphicc^; adult male lions are larger than females and have a prominent mane. It is a social speciess^, forming groups called prides. A lion's pride consists of a few adult males, related females, and cubs. Groups of female lions usually hunt together, preying mostly on large ungulatess^. The lion is an apexx^ and keystone predatorr^; although some lions scavenge when opportunities occur and have been known to hunt humans, the species typically does not actively seek out and prey on humans.

My cat is also the genus Panthera and sometimes thinks she is an apex and keystone predator. In order to not hurt her feelings we have not disabused her of this sincere belief; however we don't feed her live wildebeest for obvious reasons.

Are solitary lions still lions?

t is a social species, forming groups called prides. A lion's pride consists of a few adult males, related females, and cubs.

The tiger, lion, jaguar and leopard are the only cat species with anatomical structures that enable them to roarr^;

Oh my word, I'm wrong! She is actually genus Felidae. Don't anyone tell her, please, it would really hurt her feelings.

So I'm going to withdraw.

Without clarifying the set for us? Whadda surprise.

I wonder who would be making threats against an adult human male for your conversation here?

Because I'd be willing to put good money on it not being, as it never has been, an adult human female who believes in sex based rights for women.

Threats? How awful. What 'area'?

Before you go, could you possibly just point us to that definition?

Including your cat in a pride of lions Arabella would probably end a bit unfortunately for your cat but would have little impact on the pride and the lions.

Including a lion in your household or at the local cattery however would prove a very serious impact upon every single cat in the place. At this point, you would have to decide: was the cattery focused upon the best interests of the cats or the lion? And most cat owners would remove their cat at high speed, thinking that anyone trying that form of inclusion was not someone who should be providing facilities for cats.