What rights don't transpeople have?

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It's a question I have seen asked many times and it is rarely answered. When it is its usually a list of things that are not "rights" or a list of rights/demands not held by anyone else.

It appears Katie M has provided a list of Countries with each trans right they don't provide. KM has also provided source links however many just link to a chart with dots indicating the "trans right" that country doesn't have. No explanation as to why.
For example:

Albania - No legal name change at all.

Quick look and it turns out in Albania nobody can legally change their name. Anyone can socially change their name and change it on their passport and driving licence but nobody can change their BC. So this is not a right others have and trans are denied as implied by KM it is in fact the same rule for all.

While Albania like many countries is behind on LGB support/rights it appears that the lack of rights transpeople do not have are the same rights those who are LGB are also denied yet it seems only the fact that transpeople don't have them is what matters.

The list for each country is very much the same for those countries that share a geographical location/religion/culture and so the sources linked appear to be the same dot chart I mentioned earlier.

The UK list is interesting.

No legal gender recognition without mental health diagnosis. This only applies to changing your BC and the person must have medical support to state they have/had gender dysphoria. Nobody else in the UK has the right to change their BC

No legal gender recognition without spousal consent. This is so that spouses are not forced to be in a now same sex marriage without their consent once the transperson has changed their BC. Transpeople appear to want to remove the consent of others in a legally binding contract which marriage is

No legal ban on conversion therapy. The Conversion therapy ban in the UK is made up of 3 existing Acts. Sexual offences Act 2003. Criminal justice Act 1988 and the offences against person Act 1861. This covers all physical acts and medication abuse used in order to "convert a person's sexual orientation or gender identity". What the trans movement want is affectively counselling of transpeople banned. This means no transperson could seek therapy if they have feelings of GD or confusion around their gender. That is not a right.

No legal parenthood recognition. Any male or female who parents a child has the right to be legally recognised as either their mother or father dependingon the persons sex. Legally in the UK if you are the biological or adoptive parent you are legally recognised as mother if female and father if male. That right applies to all including transpeople.

No legal right to religious marriage. In the UK no religious organisation can be compelled to marry same sex couples so this is a right LGB people do not have also so why does it only matter for transpeople?

No practical access to trans healthcare. This is just a lie. Transpeople have the same access to healthcare as anyone else in the UK. What the source linked discusses is that some transpeople when polled stated they felt prejudice from some healthcare professionals which "put them off" seeking healthcare. While this prejudice is wrong it is sadly experienced by many different people due to their culture/racce/religion/sexual orientation. Transpeople have the same RIGHT to access healthcare un the UK as anyone else

I havent gone through the whole list but looking at certain countries the rights trans people claim not to have are either the same for all trans or not, women do not have those rights either or those in the LGB community also do not have those rights. It seems to me that the trans Community do not want equal rights or rights for women or those in the wider LGB community they just want trans rights (most of which are not rights) for transpeople only and screw everyone else.

Why is he allowed to label women as "cis" without being banned? I haven't reported him, because it's an interesting, though oft-repeated, conversation that many of us have read before, but it's one of those that need to be repeated, for every newbie who turns up here calling women "cis women".

But he is allowed to use "cis women"??!! Now, that is fucking offensive.

@Trying20 I imagine because most of the world are not living in an unreal fantasy, or if they are, they are not trying to make others adhere to it otherwise they are cancelled. That unreal fantasy is to identify as something which you are not.

If I'm being generous I think some people have not engaged with this issue to anything like the level they think they have. So they might genuinely be surprised to discover that the cis identity is niche and rare. And that to call someone cis if they have not called themselves that, is misgendering.

Are you happy for me to be called a gay man just as you are? is there anything that feels uncomfortable about that? I sleep with men too and I don't identify as a woman.

Yes same. Perhaps we need to identify as gay men instead. We can all join gay meet up sites like Grindr.

Are you still there @Trying20? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts but I also need to head to bed. You said you had written a post? Has my clarification made you rethink what you wrote?

I think my lesbian husband might object!

Yes I also find the term ‘cis’ extremely offensive. Especially as a woman I have had a lot of barriers in my life just because I am a woman, and now have to content with someone cancelling my own, biological, and very real identity!

And yet, to get a job recently I had to fill in an ‘equal opportunties’ form that only had the boxes for gender, and only had ‘cis woman’ for me, so I had zero box to tick. I was literally being erased out of ‘equal opportunties’. If they don’t even count me, as a woman, I do not even exist. I knew if I complained, I was likely to be penalised for the chance of getting the job. Not good times!

@trying you mention sports as a time when woman and tW should be separated by subset.

But not actually single sex spaces. You obviously consider TWaW - so do you think they should use the female toilets, changing rooms, be in female hospital wards etc? Do you think they should use the female pondat Hampstead Heath or attend woman only swimming sessions at other pools?

I think my lesbian husband might object!

He/they/she can join Grinder too. The more the merrier, no?

He can't. He sleeps with women so he's a lesbian. I thought grindr was just for gay men?

@Trying20 it doesn’t matter if you’ve googled it, or if you don’t understand. It’s very offensive to me, and many many other women. How offensive to use a term about a group (women) without having a large consensus that this is the preferred term! It’s like called trans people another name because a non trans person said so. Very un woke! Cancel!

He can't. He sleeps with women so he's a lesbian. I thought grindr was just for gay men?

We're all about incluuuuusion here.

stonewall say it is "Someone whose gender identity is the same as the sex they were assigned at birth."

I do not have a gender identity and do not identify with the concept of assigned at birth - i.e. I don't believe I was assigned anything.

Hence I can't be cis.

It is an identity statement. Not the same as 'just not trans'.

A lesbian is a same sex attracted female. This is supposed to be a legally protected characteristic.Males who are solely sexual attracted to females are heterosexual. Claiming a male person is a lesbian is misogynistic and homophobic. Male fantasy put above female reality.When you use the correct words with their correct meanings, things become very clear. They don't like that. Oh, and 'cis' is nonsense and offensive to many of us too. 'Cis' women and 'trans' women, not only implies that a subset of men belong in the category 'women' but it also creates a bizarre false hierarchy where they can pretend they are being oppressed by us, when they themselves are part of the oppressor class. Using it would also imply you are a believer in gender ideology. Trying, you still haven't told us what rights trans people don't already have?As you like a nice venn diagram I've added one to show a set and a sub set

As a woman, I find "cis woman" really fucking insulting because it seeks to relegate me and all other women to a bit-part role in our own sex class - our own unmistakable sex class; and the bludgeoned insertion of men who claim they are "transwomen" in the same sex class; to our detriment - women lose single-sex spaces, single-sex sexuality; and furthermore, these males are then celebrated for being so "stunning" and "brave".

FFS.

No. The basic human rights of women and girls are endangered here.

The definition literally stated it as the opposite of 'trans'.

This is untrue. If it were the "opposite of trans", a "trans woman" would be a woman who identifies as a man and a "cis woman" would be a woman who did not. What's missing, is adherence to your belief system where women come in two sexes.

I'm not sure why even on this so called 'extremist' site, we refrain from using offensive language, yet others, who claim we are extremists can use what i consider offensive language e.g 'cis' and claim innocence.

To be clear @Trying20, the definition of trans is a much better fit for me than cis

"An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth"

Just not sure there is any value in describing a mainstream middle age woman who has no angst about her 'gender identity' just an angst about people trying to force an identity on me for their own benefit, as trans. But my gender is 'not the same as' my 'sex assigned at birth' - both concepts being completely alien to me.

So baffling to me that so many people want to pigeon hole themselves in gender terms.

I wish people were not trying to restrict others identity in the way that gender ideology does.

Thankfully I am long enough in the tooth to say fuck off to people's attempts to restrict my expression of me.

Let's stop pussyfooting around, tbh. There are no "trans women" because "woman" has an important specific meaning and isn't a class of people you can decide to be in whether or not you meet the criteria. We need as many people as possible to say no, we're not having it.

Apologies for my unreadable last post. Both my paragraphs and diagram somehow disappeared when I pressed post!!!

I agree. The smoke and mirrors came about when someone dreamt up the term transwoman and then having done so set about dogmatically asserting that because there was such a term, this means that magically women and transwoman are now a meaningful sub-set.

You're right in that the subsets would be 'women and transmen' or 'men and transwomen'.

There is no logical position for stating a subset of women and transwomen, painful as that is for transwomen to hear.

I want to see the diagram!

then having done so set about dogmatically asserting that because there was such a term, this means that magically women and transwoman are now a meaningful sub-set.

And then they said that you had to use a space so "trans" was an adjective because they were women like black women, lesbian women, "cis women". Then they came for "female". Give an inch, they take a thousand miles. Because it's about power.