Lesbians not welcome at Gay Pride

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This is horrifying. Women (lesbians) told by police they are going to be removed because abuse is being hurled at these women.

Police do nothing about the person shouting the abuse.

twitter.com/GetTheLOutUK/status/1563490240912044033

but there's nothing of the sort happening in the real world,

That's a flat out lie, and some of the usual gaslighting associated with this topic. I'm a lesbian and I can assure disinterested readers that there is a division.

Of course, because the sort of lesbians who'd dislike the point they were making are the sort groomed to accept dick in their dating pool.

There are lots of lesbians who do not really care much one way or another. It is not a big issue for everyone.

Only someone with no involvement in the community thinks it's full of "straights". You must be confusing the average LGBT organisation with the LGB Alliance. Now that really is a movement for straights.

Just to be clear, hearach, which organisation is it you that you claim wanda has confused with the LGBA? I'm not sure your post makes sense.
One that is confusable with the LGBA? And how so?

The LGB Alliance was founded by several of the people who founded Stonewall. Presumably in your view they have become straight in the process.

God, the utter nonsense being spouted by these TRAs.

Just in case anyone cares about the bizarre allegation above:
lgballiance.org.uk/

The 'T community' is full of straight men. All those middle aged men who suddenly discover their inner 'lesbian' for example.

LGB Alliance said under oath only 7% of their supporters/subscribers are lesbians: twitter.com/tribunaltweets/status/1521512107774205954

For an 'LGB' organisation that is very low. Most of their support is from the straight community. They are loathed by most LGBT people who know what they stand for.

This is what happens when you do all your research on the internet and never actually go out and meet the community you're so clearly obsessed with.

Course it is. That's why they go bananas over get the L out, Drop the T, and the LGBA. Not to mention FWR.

The absolute stupidity of trying to convince people that they're not worried about something they're determined to shut down 🙄

The QT+ is a very different campaign. It seems to be all MRA based.

You've clearly never been involved in a campaign for transgender rights.

How do you know that? You have no idea who I am.

Here’s some research I just did on the internet. That 7% lesbian figure always puzzled me. I knew it was used at Allison Bailey’s tribunal but not how it was reached. If you go to the LGBA website there is a page entitled Myths. At the bottom it explains that at the time of the tribunal the only figure they had was from subscribers to their newsletter. They used Mailchimp to send out the newsletter and when setting up the account they asked subscribers whether they were lesbian, lesbian/gay or preferred not to say. It wasn’t a mandatory question, so many people skipped it and on top of that they couldn’t tell which people ticking lesbian/gay were women and which were men. They have since commissioned a survey of their subscribers which shows that 34% are lesbian, 33% gay men, 12% bisexual, 20% heterosexual and 1% preferred not to say.

Most of their support is from the straight community. They are loathed by most LGBT people who know what they stand for.

Have we got the break down of the funding for Stonewall by sexual orientation yet? Including the break down of the ‘supporters’ as to what % are LGBTQ+?

And shouldn’t we also consider the breakdown of the people they associate with, including the sexual orientation of the employees of the organisations that support Stonewall.

Let’s compare like for like shall we? Of all people who support Stonewall and are ‘members’. I mean organisational members included too.

And I think we are still waiting for the evidence that they are loathed by ‘most’ LGBT people rather than just the vocal LGBT on the internet and in Hearache’s narrow circle.

Obviously, they are loathed by ‘some’ people. But so what? They represent a group of people who want to focus on LGB issues and these people can also include TQ+ people. They don’t aim to represent everyone and are clear about it.

Only someone fearful of others being able to voice their fully legal opinions that are considered by many as reasonable and acceptable would continue to try to silence them.

Thank you FigRollsAlly.

Hearach's only recourse is misrepresentation.

Most of their support is from the straight community. They are loathed by most LGBT people who know what they stand for.

Complete drivel. Apart from being demonstrably untrue, claiming gay people loathe gay people is just weird. And, to you, 'straight' could be two men, two women, or a man and a woman - nonsensical jibber jabber.

The 'T community' is full of straight men. All those middle aged men who suddenly discover their inner 'lesbian' for example.

Quite. Obviously we expect 'the T' to hate the LGBA. Hence Mermaids trying to litigate them out of existence.

Obviously, they are loathed by ‘some’ people. But so what?

Interesting turn of phrase, isn't it? Now, who's supposed to be a "hate group" again?

It is clearly evident that the vast majority of hate flows from the QT side to the LGB or female side. The loathing, the screaming mobs, the attempts to drive people out of the public square or their jobs. All from the QT at, well, everyone who gets in their way.

This was immediately obvious to me when I first became aware of the conflict, about 5 years ago, and it's probably gotten worse. Made it very easy to pick sides - listening to the arguments was almost unnecessary, because you could tell the screaming hate mob didn't actually have any counterarguments to the GC view from the way they acted.

You must be confusing the average LGBT organisation with the LGB Alliance. Now that really is a movement for straights.

@Hearach15 I know personally several of the people who founded the LGB Alliance - in person, not via the internet. None of them is straight.

The organisers stated that the group would not have been allowed to register or march.

Mind you. Whenever hearache enters a thread, some really interesting evidence is posted to show how dishonest their posts can be.

Thank you fig. I understood why the 7% was problematic in that it seemed more like a collection error than the reality. (Ie. Not forcing the answer on the survey). But it is good to have some clarity on that.

Maybe hearache will finally stop posting it as some kind of supposedly clever ‘gotcha’. But looking back historically, that may not happen.

In any case, we can keep posting those new stats every time the 7% is wheeled out. Which will show anyone using that 7% figure as being either being deliberately ignorant, just uninformed or unable to change their pattern of behaviour - none of which will show them to be credible in any sense.

'In August 2022 we commissioned a survey of our subscribers to help us plan to deliver services and support to LGB people. One of the questions we asked was about sexual orientation. That data showed that 34% are lesbian, 33% are gay men, 12% are bisexual, 20% are heterosexual and 1% preferred not to say. We are satisfied that this data is robust.'

lgballiance.org.uk/facts/

Oh, fgs, sorry, I somehow missed a great chunk of the discussion.

So why did Get the L Out get such a bad reception at Pride the other day?

Or indeed the man at Manchester Pride?

"Footage emerging of Alexander Bramham, a gay man, being hounded out of the parade. His crime? Wearing a t-shirt disavowing political alliance between gay and transgender people."

unherd.com/thepost/the-rainbow-wars-get-religious-at-manchester-pride/

Or why did someone wearing an LGBA get kicked out of a Glasgow nightclub?

www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/01/21/lgb-alliance-support-t-shirt-polo-lounge-reported-police-glasgow-anti-trans/

I know you people know very little about the LGBT community but you should know at this point that to be GC is to be a very small minority in the community.

"And I think we are still waiting for the evidence that they are loathed by ‘most’ LGBT people rather than just the vocal LGBT on the internet and in Hearache’s narrow circle."

Wow, I guess Alexander Bramham got booted out of Pride for being too popular then. My mistake - and the media's!

unherd.com/thepost/the-rainbow-wars-get-religious-at-manchester-pride/

This crowd is clearly on his side. They are obviously upset he is leaving:

twitter.com/liambrunetti/status/1431915949347655682?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1431915949347655682%7Ctwgr%5E14f29b7b0bec4a6fb54c09a68ee626d962a4dfe4%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Funherd.com%2Fthepost%2Fthe-rainbow-wars-get-religious-at-manchester-pride%2F