Antipodean fruit grower statement

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The antipodean fruit growers site is down. A statement from the owner reads in part:

What I fear more than losing my site, being sued, or dealing with police is living in a world where [redacted by me as would be against MN talk guidelines] while normal people are not allowed to even discuss it.

The mob has already planned subsequent targets. Should we stay down, they will then attack 'gender critical' communities - especially those ran by and for women. No place can exist online which criticizes [redacted], and nothing would excite them more than this power and domination struggle being inflicted on a female space instead.

Posted for info.

Mumsnet’s new autocorrect is absolutely shocking.

Obviously any adult is free to frequent anywhere (legal) online that takes their fancy, nonetheless though, Discord might not be a good fit for a young lesbian?

As I’ve had to repeat myself, here’s another link re: problems with Discord, this one from End Sexual Exploitation Now:
endsexualexploitation.org/articles/discord-is-a-haven-for-gamers-and-sexual-exploiters/

And how comical that this post is almost the same as a post about deletions on another thread. About the same type of posters.

I notice that Jem has not come back to engage. What a shame.

I can only assume that some posters are not able to discuss things in anyway that contributes to the thread.

Usually PBP have all there posts deleted off all threads as councils has been.

What a surprise? And some
posters stood up for them and couldn’t see the attacks right in front of them.

well… sadly… not a surprise.

Longer term posters tend not to report for deletion, because it shows better if the whole thread is left untouched. New readers/lurkers can then see who argues for what and the rebuttals made. It rarely makes sense without the original post being left up, even when quoted , those quotes are often deleted too.

I reported two posters on this thread. Both have been deleted. MNHQ confirmed to me that they both appear to be the same poster - a returning troll who specialises in provocative posts and screenshotting of responses.

Yes bore, once you see the current pattern, it is so blatantly obvious. You say they are provocative? Yes… that may be, but they are in no way clever.

I really don’t think KF is responsible for people like Jessica Yaniv being exposed: it was the women who spoke up. KF recorded all the stuff Yaniv did, but it was the material on Twitter that brought it to attention. goinglikeelsie live-tweeting the HRC hearing was far more widely read than KF.
I find it difficult to get past the doxing on KF.

Jem won't be back because MNHQ have confirmed he's* a PBP

*Until the next name change
** Am assuming sex here, of course

bolding fail there

Thanks for that confirmation bore. Their interaction with the FWR threads have been tedious and repetitive. But I imagine they think they are achieving something entirely different from what they are achieving in reality.

I suspect the tactic works on twitter or similar. But looks juvenile here.

Excuse me? The entire American South would like to have a word with y'all. Along with most of the Southwest.

Y'all is a colloquialism. Mostly regional but it travelled to urban areas in the twentieth century. Exactly why do you associate it with poor people? That's quite a dog whistle.

Ann Scrotes has been sharing screenshots from this and the Cardiff Pride thread much to the delight of her collection of pathetic sycophants.

I have a thread on the Mango Ranch as a by product of being targeted by infamous TRAs.

I won’t lie, it isn’t pleasant being featured as a lolcow especially when people post malicious lies about you.

However, unlike an abusive blog that was set up to target me, the posters on the fruit farm are fair, in that they demand receipts and posters who go in and say “Farrow was an Essex slut who couldn’t keep her knickers up” (sic), or other outrageous slurs get the reception they deserve.

I do have to exercise self care when looking at my thread however it is not the website itself that harasses me.

Rather it’s those who accuse me of posting under socks and then amplify those accusations which then lead to violent threats on other platforms. I now keep a diary every single day, detailing my movements and cross reference it with the timing of other posters in order that I can easily disprove crazy allegations. And they are totally crazy.

I’ve been reported to the police at least 5 times I know of for alleged posting on the FruitFarms and am currently being sued for a third time for “misuse of private information” for repeating something on my Twitter feed which was widely discussed on this forum in 2018, also by a GC Twitter account with 21 k followers in 2018 and on Antipodean threads which have had a combined 1.3 million views. (Don’t speculate what, otherwise the post will be deleted).

Someone went on to the Mango Ranch and posted heinous abuse in the full name of my then 16 year old DD. This could have seen her expelled from school and potentially kicked off her Uni course. We know what happened to @DrLouiseJMoody for posting on there. TRAs reported her to her Uni and she lost her research position. We just know that there are certain actors who would love to get revenge by getting my DD kicked out of Uni, ruining her fledgling career and gloat about it!

I reported the catfishing to Josh, who verified that my DD had no social media footprint etc and he renamed the account, because messing with someone’s innocent child is not what the site is about.

This has led the TRAs to state that Josh is my great mate and I am somehow “in with the mods”, when all they did was behave like responsible human beings.

The Farms has shone an important spotlight on the predatory and often comical behaviour of so many men who are trying to build names for themselves as public figures and impact public opinion and policy.

I’m not fighting a battle as important as Maya’s or Alison’s, though thanks to Maya for the first time I can use the correct pronouns in my legal pleadings, but I am fighting for the right of women to point out the alarming behaviour of those who claim they and their peers pose no risk.

Also: oh for an edit button.

It is incredibly rich, not to mention lolcow behaviour to report people to the police, sue them and attempt to shame them for an association with the Antipodean Ranch, when you yourself have posted egregious abuse on there under multiple sock accounts.

Y'all is a colloquialism. Mostly regional but it travelled to urban areas in the twentieth century. Exactly why do you associate it with poor people? That's quite a dog whistle.

Keep your hair on. I was referring to the adoption of "y'all" by white middle class activists in the UK. I'm not sure what dog whistle that's supposed to be.

@Fizzynonsense Don't live in fear of pages being deleted/disappearing. Immediately archive any page you want preserved by going to archive.ph/ and simply paste the url into the box.

i just learnt about this yesterday while reading a very informative thread about KF on Ovarit. A big thank you to whoever attacked KF because despite the inconvenience you have done KF and many GC people a great favour.

The attack has made me and I imagine many others aware of KF and has exposed me to a livestream with the owner who comes across as someone fair-minded with integrity and guts. And I have learnt about the importance of archiving, not just archiving items significant to me but items that may have broader significance.

You weren't referring to poor white people in the UK using it. Who do you think uses "y'all" in the US and why do you describe them as poor people?

KF update:

August 28th, 2022

A resourceful network engineer managed to tunnel our server so we could get a completely up-to-date copy of the database and attachments. Even in a worst case scenario, there will be no data loss.

And:

If I don't hear good news from upstream by tomorrow, I will prepare to leave them behind. The mob on Twitter is promising a final solution to the Kiwi Farms on Monday at the same time. If that is not an empty threat, this might be coming to a head tomorrow night.

There are very many people who I am sure would very much like KFs and their receipts to go away.
Some of those people are very well known to MN, and I’m sure would like their history to be forgotten. KFs does not forget. I hope we don’t loose the data.

As JM / Null says in his General Statement:

In the digital era, personal reputation has become a very valuable form of capital. Google, Wikipedia, online news outlets, and other large websites allow a public figure meticulous control over their public perception.

When a community of random anonymous nobodies can setup a forum and talk about a person candidly, where this control does not exist, it creates problems for influential people.

The opponents of this forum lie about its purpose and character. They misrepresent our speech as violence, our information as harassment, and our discussions as stalking.

Google cleans up their search results, the news prints their hit pieces, and Wikipedia canonizes those stories as truth. Instantly, the general public is left with one narrative available to them.

Some of those people are very well known to MN, and I’m sure would like their history to be forgotten. KFs does not forget. I hope we don’t loose the data

absolutely

just because I don’t want to go on there myself doesnt mean that i want it to disappear

i listened to the stream while doing the gardening yesterday (all 4 hours) and mumsnet is mentioned at around 0.40. I’ve timestamped the link from 0.32 ish for the start of the topic that leads up to the mention. I would recommend anyone interested click through to YouTube via my link (so the time stamp works) and give it 20 mins of listening from there. It’s a good description of the phenomena we’ve likely all experienced online over the last few years, both on this site and elsewhere.

I have a couple more segments time stamped that I can share if Mumsnetters are interested?

It is the extreme activist playbook.

If you don’t want exactly ‘this’, then you must be ‘against’ us and want us disappeared out of existence. It is like dealing with toddlers.

KF is actually a shining bastion of truth and free speech on the internet, once you get to grips with the, er direct shall we say, posting style. I have found that null and most of the regulars there are actually intelligent and sensitive people who are calling out narcissistic and damaging behaviour in out of control people and what I particularly appreciate is that they always centre children and safe guarding. People that abuse and use their children get particularly short shrift and I appreciate that.

The official party line has also always been observe and document, do not directly interact with the lolcows or try and wind them up. So any swatting or whatever it is is not and has never been officially sanctioned.

I think the people trying to get it shut down, because they're featured, should take a good hard look in the mirror and at their behaviour. They won't, of course, because in the main they're raging narcissists.

If I don't hear good news from upstream by tomorrow, I will prepare to leave them behind. The mob on Twitter is promising a final solution to the Kiwi Farms on Monday at the same time. If that is not an empty threat, this might be coming to a head tomorrow night.

Aw, you missed the link to the South Park song for "tomorrow night"...

I had it on while I was pottering too and listened to the whole thing. It was interesting to hear a different perspective on things. Null sounds determined to keep the site up.

As with others, I don’t like most of what’s posted on the fruit farmers’ site. Some of the discourse is deeply unpleasant. However, the point about archiving when the rest of the internet can be scrubbed is an important one.

I remember around the time that male sex offenders who identify as women being placed in women’s prisons was first discussed there were numerous articles about paedophile Martin Pontin with Martin’s new trans identity included (avoiding using new name here) online. When I looked 6 months later they’d been scrubbed under the ‘right to be forgotten’ legislation. I haven’t checked recently, but any employer googling MP’s new name before offering a new role would be none the wiser about their history of serious sexual offending against children and if MP was dishonest about previous names on their DBS form, well…. That’s a problem. Court reporting exists for a reason.