Antipodean fruit grower statement

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The antipodean fruit growers site is down. A statement from the owner reads in part:

What I fear more than losing my site, being sued, or dealing with police is living in a world where [redacted by me as would be against MN talk guidelines] while normal people are not allowed to even discuss it.

The mob has already planned subsequent targets. Should we stay down, they will then attack 'gender critical' communities - especially those ran by and for women. No place can exist online which criticizes [redacted], and nothing would excite them more than this power and domination struggle being inflicted on a female space instead.

Posted for info.

@NecessaryScene

I appreciate your links and text particularly as I don't have twitter so can only read half before they cut me off.

The right wings main issue with this is that they aren't the ones doing the censoring. It turns my stomach that the right wing are now on the side of free speech but it's the fucking libs who did that. I hope the right do make enough hay out of this issue that they have to abide by it ideologically although I suspect they won't.

I’d like to see Greenwald on Rogan talking about this. Null too.

If there was illegal, extremist activity on Kiwifarms, deal with that, take legal action where necessary, but to just erase an entire ten year history? That is extremist. Why?

You answered your own question.

Because there isn't illegal extremist activity that they could take legal action on. The absence of legal action over such a long period despite it being in so many people's hate list pretty solid indication of innocence.

Although maybe they are now trying for the first time - it will be interesting to see how it goes.

Null has always been responsive to actual real legal action. He just stubbornly refuses to respond to threats like "take this down or we'll sue you", which he knows to be empty. He actually requires the proper steps to be taken. And moderates the forum to try to ensure that it's on the right side of US law.

Its the thin edge of the wedge

there is something wrong with people who think its fine to take down legal websites and threaten others, to remove sometimes vital information from the public and lie to them

lack of thinking maybe….

I'm OK with them views disappearing from being easily accessible so they can't spread fear, incite others etc

Yes, yes, I think we've all got that.

"All of this stems from the classic mentality of all would-be tyrants: our enemies are so dangerous, their views so threatening, that everything we do – lying, repression, censorship – is noble."

I don't know what torrent is. But when Null says that if he can't get KF back up and running, he's going to anonymise and release all the forum's content onto Torrent, does that mean the entire thing will be publicly available?

It's not "ceasing people to exist" what a load of hyperbolic nonsense

i agree

ive also seen it many many times on these threads saying that we want transpeople not to exist

there was a particular poster who did it as well…im not great with remembering names but i think it began with a Q, maybe an X 🤔

but anyway hopefully if you stick around you’ll be able to say how hyperbolic those posts are as well

Yes, it means anyone will be able to download it using peer to peer file sharing

www.lifewire.com/torrent-file-2622839

I don't know what torrent is. But when Null says that if he can't get KF back up and running, he's going to anonymise and release all the forum's content onto Torrent, does that mean the entire thing will be publicly available?

KF is actually still running at the moment, albeit a bit sluggishly. On the open net (but only over IPv6), or Tor. So this would be if he decides he can't keep it running or get it back operational to his satisfaction.

By my reading he's intending that it would be a complete copy of the forum, so that anyone else could restart a copy of it, fully operational, preserving the history - or just read it for themselves as a frozen archive.

He's currently got the weak point that there's only 1 Kiwi Farms, only one server, and only one Null - if it's distributed, then anyone can start their own copy, and then maybe it's a case of whoever manages to keep their copy up becomes the de facto successor current Kiwi Farms users migrate to.

Thank you, necessary and cloglady.

Yes from my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) he basically has a full hard copy archive of KF as it stands now, which he will make available to anyone
From this, anyone with the means, could use it to restart KF if they choose to do so.

I wonder if null could possibly relaunch, anonymously.

Perhaps one day soon there will be a dedicated agency for making sure the internet doesn't harm us. An actual Ministry of Information. Except it will be named something essential to our well being. Something nurturing. You
know. Like a protective big brother

Well I think you win the internet today.

Another dystopian classic is brought to mind - Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury.

For those unfamiliar with it, books are being burnt, and there is a secret network of people who have each memorised the entire texts of books in order to preserve them from the 'firemen'. Perhaps we should each start memorising a corner of the internet before it's wiped clean? I won't lie, it'll be nigh on impossible whilst enduring the perimenopause like I am

I've sometimes wondered if Mumsnet would allow us threads ----made purely of screenshots/archive links. Something similar to the This Never Happens thread.

Any thread started about the 3-letter acronym gets deleted but I've wondered if one that presents, without comment, the numerous examples of it on reddit, twitter etc. in their own words would be allowed to remain.

Not sure where that massive hyphen came from.

I’ve been following the Kiwi Farms thread and I’m now fairly certain that mumsnet would end up unable to operate if they didn’t impose the stupid/onerous/everchanging language rules on us.

I expect that would extend to screenshots of stuff TeamTrans have posted themselves, as that’s been KFs main subject of interest for several years.

Not sure what this means, but this is the message I now see in place of the CloudFlare ‘threat to life’ message.

Error 418: I am a Teapot

You have attempted to request a coffee from this device which can only brew tea.

For online documentation and support please refer to nginx.org.
Commercial support is available at nginx.com.

Thank you for using nginx.

Does this mean anything to someone techie?

Yes, I just wonder how extreme TRAs would even justify that. If it's purely their own words, maybe even with names covered up, and not accompanied by the slurs thrown about on kiwifarms (mainly in the spirit of bravado, I think), I'm not sure logically how anyone could complain. But then I know logic isn't a strong point of gender ideology.

I guess it's the deals, spoken or unspoken, that Mumsnet do with their advertisers.

There's probably not much use them being specific, but the advertisers could claim they don't want to advertise on a site that gets down and dirty, however justified that is.

So They have to maintain a fairly sanitised board, irrespective of the merit of the content.

In another universe, Justine Roberts is one of the most powerful woman in the world, and uses her forum politically as a force to fight for women everywhere.

They’d probably find ways to make ‘right to be forgotten’ take downs or copyright claims on their images.

it might work on a site based elsewhere but with Britain’s weird woke ‘non crime hate incident’ stuff and crikey knows what might happen with online harms bills, I doubt mumsnet would be willing to host it (because supporting parents is the main aim, so they won’t want to martyr that for documentation of perversion purposes).

I hope to fuck he has multiple hard copies located in a number of places and not just with his attorney, close family and known friends. If I was him I'd rather take the chance of someone I'm not super close to sharing their copy without my permission than potentially losing it if all hard drives containing it end up destroyed.

The right wings main issue with this is that they aren't the ones doing the censoring. It turns my stomach that the right wing are now on the side of free speech but it's the fucking libs who did that.

Agreed. I wish everyone would stop referring to that side as liberals or “the left”. Censorship is not liberal, corporate censorship even less so. And big corporations ruling the world is about as far from left wing as you can get.

oh, and in case anyone was in doubt, in so far as any of this is “progressive”, it is a stark reminder that not all progress is good. It’s as if no one who believes themselves left wing, liberal or progressive has ever opened a history book.

I hope to fuck he has multiple hard copies located in a number of places and not just with his attorney, close family and known friends. If I was him I'd rather take the chance of someone I'm not super close to sharing their copy without my permission than potentially losing it if all hard drives containing it end up destroyed.

I hope he takes the danger to his own life extremely seriously.

Excuse my ignorance... I know the farmers are hot on archiving stuff - are these archives part of the farm itself or on a separate site?

Its interesting to see the suggestion that KF has focused on trans- issues. I've been on KF for years, first lurking, then posting regularly for the past couple. I've not once posted on or read a trans- thread until the site went down this last week or two and I searched for #kiwifarms on twitter and came across Keffals.

I think KF has actually a very small anti-trans community, which seems bigger than it is due to there being nowhere else left on the Internet to be open and honest about how some people feel about some related issues. From what I've since read, there's very, very little against people who are transgender, instead discussion about people who are transgender and something else, e.g. munchies, zoophilia, child-attracted. This isn't to suggest that most transgender people have a co-morbid issue, but rather- I think - that there's a section of society into rather unsavory things, using the trans- protection in a way to cover for themselves in a "you can't be mean to me, I'm trans" way.