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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Edinburgh Fringe comic spat on and shunned by colleagues as a 'transphobe' for show about women

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JanieAllen · 17/08/2022 13:33

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/edinburgh-fringe-comic-spat-shunned-27762754

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Tillitscool · 24/08/2022 13:11

littlbrowndog · 24/08/2022 11:30

How’s she transphobic?

She's not!

ScreamingMeMe · 24/08/2022 13:20

honesty87 · 24/08/2022 13:10

Well, she's been on Graham Linehan's show and thats always a good sign.

Please elaborate.

yourhairiswinterfire · 24/08/2022 13:20

As I said, has anyone reported this hate crime?

They should, PeriodBro.

If we let people get away with sitting quietly with their arms crossed, it'll embolden them to behave even more violently next time.

If this behaviour isn't nipped in the bud, what next? A tut? Yawning? Eye-rolling?! It doesn't bear thinking about 😢

A check of their thinking is in order.

ScreamingMeMe · 24/08/2022 13:22

Or is that literally it?

"She has been on Graham Linehan's show - burn the witch!"

HouseOfGoldandBones · 24/08/2022 13:23

DadJoke · 23/08/2022 15:24

I can paraphrase it easily enough - trans women are not women. That's the transphobic bit. If you read the article, you know the issue isn't that she did a comedy set about people with vulvas and child birth.

But they're not.

By any objective criteria.

The show is about women, not people with vulvas.

PeriodBro · 24/08/2022 13:26

ScreamingMeMe · 24/08/2022 13:22

Or is that literally it?

"She has been on Graham Linehan's show - burn the witch!"

She was seen cavorting with known problematic persons, and did sit with arms afolded and verily not a smirk nor a chuckle was seen to pass her lips the whole time the blessed kind and gentle comedienne was making jokes about hating old people. BURN THE WITCH.

Artichokeleaves · 24/08/2022 13:26

DadJoke · 24/08/2022 11:22

No, the problem is the headline implies people had an issue with a set about vulvas and vaginas, when, in fact, they had an issue with her transphobic views. It’s really not that complicated.

Yup. Infidel.

As I said, your issues with religious intolerance are your issues.

ScreamingMeMe · 24/08/2022 13:26

Are we going to have to get out our camping chairs and picnic food for a long wait again?

RhannionKPSS · 24/08/2022 13:29

DadJoke · 24/08/2022 02:30

No one has a problem with shows about vulvas and vaginas - the headline is wrong.

The issue is that she is gender critical / transphobic.

I notice you’ve kept quiet about Jen Ives, also at Edinburgh who received transphobic abuse, and bunch of transphobes booked out the front row and sat in silence with their arms crossed.

Who the hell has got money & time to spend going to a comedy show and not laugh? 😂Has it crossed your mind that maybe, just maybe Jen isn’t funny? Do you seriously think anyone could be bothered to do that?

HouseOfGoldandBones · 24/08/2022 13:29

DadJoke · 24/08/2022 02:30

No one has a problem with shows about vulvas and vaginas - the headline is wrong.

The issue is that she is gender critical / transphobic.

I notice you’ve kept quiet about Jen Ives, also at Edinburgh who received transphobic abuse, and bunch of transphobes booked out the front row and sat in silence with their arms crossed.

So far you've suggested that "transphobia" is knowing the definition of woman & not laughing at an unfunny comedian.

I'm getting the impression that you're just an angry man who enjoys writing silly things on the Internet.

Beowulfa · 24/08/2022 13:30

Elaine Miller is a physiotherapist specialising in women's health ie post partum and menopausal issues. This field includes transmen and "nonbinary" females.

Can anyone explain HOW exactly her expertise would be relevant to a transwoman? Either with a functioning penis or an inverted one?

It would be like going to a criminal barrister then complaining that they couldn't do the conveyancing for your house purchase.

RhannionKPSS · 24/08/2022 13:31

Maybe it will be a hate crime in Scotland now to not laugh at shows at the Edinburgh Fringe😂

PeriodBro · 24/08/2022 13:32

Don't go giving them any ideas, Rhannion.

morningtoncrescent62 · 24/08/2022 13:43

If this is the kind of ageist awkward non-comedy in Jen Ives's show, I can suggest another explanation for the "whole row" of people who failed to laugh.

Helleofabore · 24/08/2022 13:45

Just watched another couple of videos of Ives' gigs.... not funny at all. My take out is that they get a few laughs here and there. And even at the end... the applause was not all that enthusiastic.

meh. Maybe DadJoke can accept that Ives' is not funny, and has little respect for others.

In fact, it would seem to be hypocritical to accuse (hence why the accusation is from someone else) people attending their show with ulterior motives anyway. Considering just what they did at the LGB Alliance Conference.

But hey.... never let the truth get in the way ...

Banderita · 24/08/2022 13:48

She was seen cavorting with known problematic persons

Would you mind telling us why you think Glinner is a 'known problematic person' @PeriodBro?

TheClogLady · 24/08/2022 13:50

RhannionKPSS · 24/08/2022 13:31

Maybe it will be a hate crime in Scotland now to not laugh at shows at the Edinburgh Fringe😂

Laughing AT the wrong kind of shows will also become a hate crime.

and in seemingly Kafka-esque fashion you won’t be told whether you laughed at the wrong show or failed to laugh at the correct show as both shows will be running at the exact same time in the exact same venue.

Artichokeleaves · 24/08/2022 14:01

I think North Korea are quite good at this, the armed guards who walk the crowd checking everyone claps and cries in the right places and arresting those who aren't doing it convincingly enough?

PeriodBro · 24/08/2022 14:09

Banderita · 24/08/2022 13:48

She was seen cavorting with known problematic persons

Would you mind telling us why you think Glinner is a 'known problematic person' @PeriodBro?

I don't. That was a sarcastic inference drawn from pp's assertion. HTH

TheClogLady · 24/08/2022 14:11

Oooh! Perhaps all the venues can install large portraits of Nicola Sturgeon?

Edinburgh Fringe comic spat on and shunned by colleagues as a 'transphobe' for show about women
ScreamingMeMe · 24/08/2022 14:18

Now this is interesting. A twitter user says that the venue had a word eith Jen for hassling Elaine and she has deleted lots of tweets. She certainly HAS deleted lots of tweets.

155 tweets since January 2020, I don't think so! Plus some I KNOW she made are definitely gone.

What a tangled web...

Edinburgh Fringe comic spat on and shunned by colleagues as a 'transphobe' for show about women
Edinburgh Fringe comic spat on and shunned by colleagues as a 'transphobe' for show about women
Edinburgh Fringe comic spat on and shunned by colleagues as a 'transphobe' for show about women
PeriodBro · 24/08/2022 14:19

Also we will need to be sure to make the correct gestures at the correct time.

PeriodBro · 24/08/2022 14:20

Oh, gosh, I've found the actual livestream footage of the show.

ScreamingMeMe · 24/08/2022 14:23

Someone archived Jen quote-tweeting Joss Prior's "spitting on people is social justice" tweet saying she doesn't believe it happened. HMMMMMMMMM

archive.ph/y0GNV

Helleofabore · 24/08/2022 14:24

Right. Let's compare

From the Scotman on Elaine Miller.

www.scotsman.com/arts-and-culture/edinburgh-festivals/fringe-comedy-reviews-elaine-miller-logs-extreme-nonsense-peter-buckley-hill-consignia-daniel-downie-obie-3351737

The Fringe is the kind of place where a woman in an interactive vulva costume takes her audience on a wander round the Old Town in a twenty strong bubble filled with as heady a mix of laughter, amazement, admiration and anger as you will ever experience. Elaine Miller () is as ferocious as she is funny and every stop on her walka-talkabout is packed with extraordinary and fascinating facts wrapped in earthy language and laughs. We get medical misogyny and the monster that was J Marion Sims, suffragettes, the urinary leash and the toilets in Nicolson Square, why The Vagina Monologues were wrong and everything you ever wanted to know about your (and anyone else's) squidgy bits. By the time we reach Greyfriar's Bobby and Elaine is sticking her pubic hair on (accidentally dislodging her clitoris as she does so), we would follow her anywhere, learning and laughing. Take your daughters, take your sons. Take your husband.

This is the review for Ives from Chortle strangely just tweeted in the past hour.... like they felt the need to do some kind of PR or something...

www.chortle.co.uk/review/2022/08/24/51604/jen_ives%3A_peak_trans?rss#

Jen Ives opens her show with an explosive burst of energy that takes the audience by surprise, setting the mood for an unpredictable and at times wildly entertaining hour. Ives is a fearless performer, keeping the audience on their toes and constantly changing the vibe and dynamic of the show.

The opening moments also allow her to make a sharp point about the ever-changing rules and laws affecting trans women. We get a glimpse into Ives’s upbringing and her relationship with her father, with the London Dungeon making an unexpected narrative appearance.

The spectre of Graham Linehan, the Father Ted writer and scourge of the trans community, looms large over this show. He and Ives crossed paths at the LGB Alliance conference last year, and he has regularly attacked her on his blog, some of which are read verbatim to the audience.

Ives jokes about the ‘good old days’ before the base and basic way trans women are treated in the culture wars. A throwaway line suggests she is tired of discussing gender critical beliefs, but feels an expectation on her to do so. Ives worries that the comedy industry isn’t as progressive as her previous workplace, but that story takes a further twist.

Sections of Peak Trans still feel like work in progress, and the show is far from slick, but this doesn’t make it any less engaging. Ives talks to the audience throughout, asking questions, testing attitudes and asking sometimes awkward questions – for example about porn preferences – acting as a segue into the next section that enables her to share more of her own experiences.

There’s a quick routine about JK Rowling – again taken in an unexpected direction due to the Harry Potter tattoos sported by Ives’ flatmate. And then the show’s unforgettable finale manages to say everything at once through an outrageous piece of physical comedy that ensures she has the last laugh.

Parts of this show is available from past shows on YouTube, and are just not getting the laughs from the audience.

I know which I would go to if I were up in Edinburgh and it is not the one that 'still feels like a work in progress' and an opportunity for this person to take their beef with other's out in public.

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