Complaints against Baroness Nicholson being organised

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An official compliant has been lodged with the @Conservatives Party in regard to @Baroness_Nichol’s online behaviour.

It comes after dozens of complaints were lodged with social media companies regarding her views on #trans.

The Conservative Party has been contacted for comment

twitter.com/ChamberVoice/status/1559229955543912450?t=wOEs_8EZI3NztrVZDlCUUA&s=19

Chamber voice is an on line 'news' outlet.

Apparently Twitter banned the Baroness, but immediately corrected after appeal.
twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1559139062623133697?t=oHnlHAEtE0UgzTDNj4DsPQ&s=19

They really are idiots, what do they think they achieve.

Yes. Mature people can do that.

I do want to see the exact context that she has said what was quoted though, hence asking for the full article to be posted. How often are we seeing clipped bits of quotes taken out of context being used against people?

But I really don't understand why there is need for 'purity' in how someone thought three decades ago to monster them now when it is actually pretty clear that she doesn't think that way at the moment.

Surely people should be saying something like, 'this is a great example of how someone has seen enough and had enough experience to now be fully supportive'?

That activists are not taking this view is actually a sure sign that all they are doing is attempting to silence women who disagree with them on other issues.

I mean, really.... they should be very careful in taking this tack. Because we all know that there will be public reverse ferreting soon, and frankly these activists will look like the hypocrites they are when people point out their previous statements....

Purity spirals are hell!

You mean, like, a repentance speech?

She did explain on twitter that she voted against same sex marriage because she anticipated that it might impact on the rights of women and children - thinking that a man could marry another man to protect his assets if he wanted to disinherit his children and their mother, maybe?

But those fears proved unfounded. Gay marriage became law, via a democratic process. She does not campaign for the law to be overturned.

However, the process by which women's rights are currently being eroded and children are being given unproved medical treatments is not democratic in the slightest.....

Sorry, what's the 20-year-ago thing everyone's referring to? Didn't she vote against same-sex marriage in 2013 ie just under 10 years ago? And make the comments about lesbians at the same time?

But couldn't a man also marry another woman to protect his assets if he wanted to disinherit his children and their mother?

Wasn't Stonewall ambivalent about same sex marriages because tax changes could impact the economy? They also haven't apologised for Nancy Kelly's comments about lesbians , comparing them to sexual racists.

Honestly. Can any one of those criticising the baroness for standing up for women and children, explain what they actually mean by homophobia, instead of, you know, advocating for it??

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It doesn't compare. At all.

The dictionary definition is a dislike of or prejudice against gay people.

^^

Having cosmetic surgery for whatever reason is one thing, but men having cosmetic surgery on their genitals and thinking that makes them women and gives them the rights of women is another entirely.

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And for medical staff to be complicit in something which will never be a reality is pretty mind boggling really.

What a bizarre response.

I'm female; ergo I share the gym showers with teenage girls. Where else would you like me to shower? Or them for that matter?

The dictionary definition is a dislike of or prejudice against gay people.

like calling them sexual racists, would that quality?

back when Ben summerskill was CEO of stonewall he said many times that a minority of LGB people especially lesbians did not want equal marriage because they saw it as a patriarchal institution they wanted nothing to do with. That was why there was such a fierce internal debate within stonewall at the time as to whether they should back it
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Well, precisely. University squash courts have showers. There are female ones. Why wouldn't a 17 or 18 year old student share a squash court shower facility with a, say, 30, 40, 50 or 60 year old female lecturer? They are organised by sex not age.

Would all the people who are condemning the Baroness’s comments 10 years ago please explain why it’s ok for the head of Stonewall to have expressed homophobic views under 10 months ago?

Likening lesbians' sexual orientation to apartheid would probably qualify...

Yes, you should be denied. I'm not all that invested in whether you 'learn to be happy with what you've got'. I think that it would be good for you if you could do that but ... whatever; that's your issue.

Cosmetic surgery is not routinely provided on the NHS.

It may occasionally be provided on the NHS for psychological or other health reasons. For example, the NHS might pay for:

breast implants – if you have very uneven breasts or no breasts, and it's causing significant psychological distress

nose reshaping – if you have breathing problems

ear correction surgery – if a child needs it, or sometimes, if an adult has prominent ears that are causing significant distress

female breast reduction – if you're very distressed about the size of your breasts and they're causing problems like backache

male breast reduction – if you've had a condition called gynaecomastia for a long time, other treatments have not worked, and it's causing considerable pain or distress

Generally, most people who want cosmetic surgery will need to pay for it privately

Reconstructive or plastic surgery is often available on the NHS. It's different from cosmetic surgery because its main aim is to repair and reconstruct missing or damaged tissue and skin after an illness, accident or birth defect.

Plastic surgery includes procedures such as rebuilding a woman's breasts after a mastectomy (an operation to remove a breast), and repairing a cleft lip and palate.

Surgery for trans women

(available from the NHS following assessments after attending Gender Dysphoria clinics)

Gender surgery for trans women includes:

removal of the testes (orchidectomy)

removal of the penis (penectomy)

construction of a vagina (vaginoplasty)

construction of a vulva (vulvoplasty)

construction of a clitoris (clitoroplasty)

Breast implants for trans women (trans-feminine people) are not routinely available on the NHS.

Facial feminisation surgery and hair transplants are not routinely available on the NHS.

As with all surgical procedures there can be complications. Your surgeon should discuss the risks and limitations of surgery with you before you consent to the procedure.

One reason why it is not routinely available on the NHS is price. There is potentially limitless demand for health care and the NHS cannot afford everything.

Some prices:
www.thelondontransgenderclinic.uk/price-list/

I wonder what the "etiquette training" includes.

I don't know that we should be sure this kind of worry was wrong. Arguably it was part of what established this idea that reproductive role is not something that should be recognized in law, because it's necessary to treat all people identically. This is less so where there was legislation as in the UK, but I think we can all see that there is significant international influence going on with the way people think about these issues. And in places where it was treated as a rights issue, that set a kind of precedent around whether you could have a social/legal institution that treated male and female categories as different. You can see how it's usually argued, not as, should we have SSM, but can we not have SSM.

They were ambivalent because the lgb community was ambivalent.

Some people thought it was a good idea because it would encourage gay men to commit to monogamous relationships.
Some people thought that homosexual love should be acknowledged socially.
Some thought it was a good idea due to things like inheritance.
Some people thought it should be a human right.
Some people thought marriage was opposed to the nature of male homosexuality and irrelevant to gay men.
Some thought marriage was an oppressive patriarchal structure.
Some thought marriage exists to manage childbearing and issues around a union between people with opposite reproductive roles.
And I am sure some other things.

There was more a sense, and not just for SW, that lobby groups should really work in areas where there was strong consensus among the people they represented. Rather than trying to form the opinions of those people.

As I posted earlier, I dislike this particular tweet from the Baroness, because well healthcare is healthcare and when it is provided on the NHS, it should be done well and without judgement.

That said, I don't think the colourful language is especially harmful especially if it reminds people considering surgery what is involved. I've unfortunately come across trans people who were unhappy with the results of their surgery, either because their expectations weren't met and/or because it didn't resolve their dysphoria.

I'm expecting a spotlight to be shone on adults after the Cass report is published and hope there can be an open discussion. Informed consent is essential to mature people too. Especially when their mental health is fragile. I sincerely hope that psychological assessment and support remains part of any NHS pathway and would like to see stricter safeguards around private options.