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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Drag Queen Robert Clothier convicted (TW)

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achillestoes · 14/08/2022 15:49

A drag queen named Robert Clothier (stage name Lady James) arranged a ‘liaison’ with a man and his two young children, for the purposes of a sexual encounter with the man and to assault/rape the children. It was a police sting. He has just been convicted and sentenced to 26 months in prison.

There is a difference of category between pantomime dames and modern ‘drag queens’. This isn’t theatre culture or acting; it’s a lifestyle, and a sexualised one.

I hope he serves every day of that time.

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Buzzinwithbez · 17/08/2022 09:18

I was at an event that was compered by a drag queen recently. The drag queen made an inappropriate comment to the teens who were setting up on stage and was quickly reminded that he was being live streamed.

I think the op's comment is an important one, that it's a sexualised, risqué performance and doesn't need to be where young people are, or breaking down people's boundaries by mixing the two. If the act is kept to adult clubs, then there's no confusion.

ScrollingLeaves · 17/08/2022 10:04

Buzzinwithbez · Today 09:18
Simply and well put, Buzz.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 17/08/2022 17:31

SolasAnla · 16/08/2022 22:12

So bloke number one is posting pics which could be used in safeguarding training as what not to publish on SM. As @PrimAndProperPearlClutcher ·👍 noted he has a lot of funny looking bustle showing in other pics but it should be fine the children involved are likely too young to google.
The other (monthly bleeding) example demonstrated how a school created a data breach when images of children taken in a school were uploaded on SM along side sexual & other adult content.
The children involved were old enough to google. Which may be why the school did not post a web page link or include the twitter @

While justifying why someone who decides to specialise in adult entertainment should read to children, can anyone explain if the same logic applies to a stripper with big hair and sparkles? Should public libraries be alocating funds to strippers read to children too?

It would be a relief that the children involved are too young to google, except that in two of the pictures I've seen of him with a funny looking bustle, the backs of children's heads are visible. If the bustle is visible in an image on facebook, it will have been visible to people present. Especially children. As his latest social media posting reminds us, young children are short, and their eyeline is at the height of someone's... bustle.Where google and older children are concerned, we often run into a peculiar doublethink on these threads.We are told that drag performances in schools and libraries are massively important to children and that the visit of a drag queen constitutes a beneficial formative experience. In fact, here's bloke 1, talking about that to Wales Online. "By doing what I do, I am saving lives. It's weird to say that because there are many people out there saving lives in a more direct way. But there are kids I have come across who would have died by suicide if I hadn't shown them that they are good.Wales Online interviews AidaBut we are also reassured by the same people that the kids don't care that much about these visitors and absolutely definitely won't try to google their names or look for more content by the exciting drag queens on youtube.If you point this out, then posters segue into "if parents are responsible and put parental controls on devices, that can't happen". At which point, one can only conclude they think schools and public services like libraries should be restricted to only those children who have net-savvy, responsible parents. Sure, let's declare some children acceptable collateral damage! I think children who don't have parents able to protect them are in need of more care from public services, not less. It's utterly repugnant to treat those children as second-class citizens, and sacrifice their wellbeing. But that is what people are doing when they say it's okay for schools to host people whose marketing profiles are of an adult nature.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 17/08/2022 17:38

FFs, I forgot I had to do the workaround to make sure MN didn't delete paragraph breaks.

It would be a relief that the children involved are too young to google, except that in two of the pictures I've seen of him with a funny looking bustle, the backs of children's heads are visible. If the bustle is visible in an image on facebook, it will have been visible to people present. Especially children. As his latest social media posting reminds us, young children are short, and their eyeline is at the height of someone's... bustle.

Where google and older children are concerned, we often run into a peculiar doublethink on these threads.We are told that drag performances in schools and libraries are massively important to children and that the visit of a drag queen constitutes a beneficial formative experience. In fact, here's bloke 1, talking about that to Wales Online:

"By doing what I do, I am saving lives. It's weird to say that because there are many people out there saving lives in a more direct way. But there are kids I have come across who would have died by suicide if I hadn't shown them that they are good.

Wales Online interviews Aida

But we are also reassured by the same people that the kids don't care that much about these visitors and absolutely definitely won't try to google their names or look for more content by the exciting drag queens on youtube.

If you point this out, then posters segue into "if parents are responsible and put parental controls on devices, that can't happen". At which point, one can only conclude they think schools and public services like libraries should be restricted to only those children who have net-savvy, responsible parents. Sure, let's declare some children acceptable collateral damage!

I think children who don't have parents able to protect them from harm (including psychological harm from age inappropriate materials) are in need of more care from public services, not less. It's utterly repugnant to treat those children as second-class citizens, and sacrifice their wellbeing. But that is what people are doing when they say it's okay for schools to host people whose marketing profiles are of an adult nature, and that it's up to parents to prevent their children seeing the profiles.

ScrollingLeaves · 17/08/2022 20:18

PurgatoryOfPotholes · Today 17:38
FFs, I forgot I had to do the workaround to make sure MN didn't delete paragraph breaks.
If it’s not too much bother to explain, what do you mean by that?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 17/08/2022 21:01

ScrollingLeaves · 17/08/2022 20:18

PurgatoryOfPotholes · Today 17:38
FFs, I forgot I had to do the workaround to make sure MN didn't delete paragraph breaks.
If it’s not too much bother to explain, what do you mean by that?

On "old" MN, I could just copy and paste an interesting part from a newspaper article as part of my post, press the enter key for a paragraph break, and continue typing. Then click Post when I was ready. And then my submitted post would appear in thread, perfectly legible

On "new and improved" mumsnet, if you copy and paste from another site, and do all the above, the paragraph breaks look like they're there in the message window, but they don't appear in the post after you've submitted it.

So every single fucking time I include something from my clipboard, I have to copy my finished post from MN's message window at the end, refresh the page, and paste it back in to MN, and check preview to see if the paragraph breaks will show.

If they don't show, then I paste the post in a draft email and then C&P from there until the paragraph breaks show in preview.

And sometimes I forget to do all this.

ScrollingLeaves · 17/08/2022 23:42

Thank you for explaining. I had thought you had meant deleting as in removing which there seemed to be rather a lot of last weekend.

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