Drag Queen Robert Clothier convicted (TW)

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A drag queen named Robert Clothier (stage name Lady James) arranged a ‘liaison’ with a man and his two young children, for the purposes of a sexual encounter with the man and to assault/rape the children. It was a police sting. He has just been convicted and sentenced to 26 months in prison.

There is a difference of category between pantomime dames and modern ‘drag queens’. This isn’t theatre culture or acting; it’s a lifestyle, and a sexualised one.

I hope he serves every day of that time.

Fucking Hell - what a backwards view on an art form.
Not all drag queens make sexual risky jokes, it's not about 'an expression of homosexuality'. Get out of the dark ages.
Their sexuality has nothing to do with the art form they create - it's self expression of a character they have created and feel comfortable in. Some are musicians, dancers, singers, presenters, comedians etc.
Everyone out there has the capability of being a predator, it doesn't matter what your job is. Dont lob them all in together because of a few bad apples.
There are drag queens and kings out there that do readings for children in libraries, there is a children's cartoon (Drag Tots) there are books for children about drag queens.
Stop being so scared and educate yourself instead of thinking they are going to corrupt your children. Your backwards thinking will do that just fine.

it's self expression of a character they have created and feel comfortable in

And that character is always a highly sexualized, often mockingly dressed, woman.

Maybe refresh yourself with the art form or return yourself back to the 1900's with that opinion.

And that character is always a highly sexualized, often mockingly dressed, woman.

No it's not.

Finally. Some sense.
Also, good choices for pictures. Fabulous artists.

Finally. Some sense.
Also, good choices for pictures. Fabulous artists.

No problem.
I'll whack on a drag king now too. It's not just mej doing it! They also had a bio queen on a season of RPDR UK. (Victoria Scone, attached)

What a thread. Find a crime a person from a specific group did 9 years ago - let's use it to smear the lot! Wow.

I don't even know where to begin but you made a good job, thank you. Drag is an artistic expression. Noone is forcing anyone to watch it if it's not your thing.

There are drag queens and kings out there that do readings for children in libraries, there is a children's cartoon (Drag Tots) there are books for children about drag queens.

Trust me, we're aware.

Are you aware of how one such performer in America at a children's storytime turned out to be in a miniskirt and without underwear?

Have you seen the photos of himself that the main storytime organiser in the UK uploads? Are you aware that he bragged about leading a group of parents and children to ignore a fire alarm for ten minutes?

Noone is forcing anyone to watch it if it's not your thing.

No, they just remove public services from you if you're not interested. We have been discussing on another thread how Leeds Libraries paid a performer £144 per show, and closed the library to all other people for the duration of the show.

Seriously, examine this underlying presumption that reading to groups of children is a sanctifying ordeal that renders anyone who does it beyond reproach. It's really not that arduous a thing to do and there are plenty of people out there who would want to do it for the worst reasons.

Drag is adult entertainment. I have been to several, probably to shows that took place before a lot of you were born. I don't want to ban drag, just stay the fuck away from children and stop trying to pretend it's not ripe w/ misogyny.

Interesting that you’re so keen to promote a sexualised ‘art form’ around children.

@Alala2809

I think that’s exactly what it is. I have no issue at all with it as an art form for adult people.

‘There are drag queens and kings out there that do readings for children in libraries, there is a children's cartoon (Drag Tots) there are books for children about drag queens.’

We know.

‘Stop being so scared and educate yourself instead of thinking they are going to corrupt your children. Your backwards thinking will do that just fine.’

In what way?

Here's my issue with drag queen's and King's.
When i watch pantomime dames, i know these are actors putting on a show. I can see the difference between the man in the costume and the woman being portrayed.
When i meet the actor in real life, the actor dissociates from the character.

This was also my experience of drag in the past. Current day, drag queens however are different. you are supposed to think the character and actor are one. My reaction is the same as those who balk at the thought of a holy trinity. You either take it on faith grounds or refute it completely. The actor does not fully dissociate from the character and tends to carry bits of it around...

They don't behave like actors to me and there is an element of belief that needs to happen for it to be funny...

To me current drag queen is a show piggy backing on old credentials to sell a new kind of faith. It looks innocent on the face of it but it is this not-quite-there dishonesty that I can't stand.

@Blister

I agree. You can’t claim an ‘identity’ and then say you are inhabiting a character. Which is it?

Also, if it’s an art form, I am at liberty to interpret it in any way I want. They can feel as comfortable as they like, and freedom of expression guarantees both their right to dress like that and my right to criticise the involvement of children in that performance.

Trust me, we're aware

Who? You and your army of bigots?

It's not bigotry to think of the children

How can people be bigoted against art? Surely if it’s just people inhabiting a character, we’re just saying that particularly art form isn’t suitable for kids? What’s the big deal?

There are drag queens and kings out there that do readings for children in libraries, there is a children's cartoon (Drag Tots) there are books for children about drag queens.

But why? Why do toddlers and children need all this exposure to drag queens?

Their sexuality has nothing to do with the art form they create

what a bizarre statement. You can’t really think that drag has nothing to do with sexuality. It’s just a freakish coincidence that drag queens are almost universally gay men?

There's plenty of adult entertainment that children don't need exposure to. Healthy societies strive to protect children from many things they are just fine w/ adults partaking in! It's why we have ratings on violent and sexualized movies, it's why it's illegal in many countries to expose children to porn (imagine Porn Star Story Hour being introduced to the library!!!). It's why we don't take children to strip clubs or parties with drugs, despite many adults legally engaging in all of these things. Feminists are not bigoted against strippers or pot smokers, but weirdly, I've never had a stripper or a pot smoker call me a bigot for not bringing my kids round...strange, isn't it?

Are you still banging on about this? 😴

Yes

Looks like it, yes.

If drag Queens don't have anything to do with sexual orientation, why are they a major part of pride events?