Drag Queen Robert Clothier convicted (TW)

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A drag queen named Robert Clothier (stage name Lady James) arranged a ‘liaison’ with a man and his two young children, for the purposes of a sexual encounter with the man and to assault/rape the children. It was a police sting. He has just been convicted and sentenced to 26 months in prison.

There is a difference of category between pantomime dames and modern ‘drag queens’. This isn’t theatre culture or acting; it’s a lifestyle, and a sexualised one.

I hope he serves every day of that time.

But these are all partial truths and what-ifs? I do not partake in partial truths for my children, to make someone who is not even with them, feel happy.

The truth to me is that this is a man who wears feminine clothes. If I can't say this then the actual truth is that the persona which is on stage is the same one which walks out the door. If you are not taking the persona off, then this is only partially make believe. The lack of distinction between which parts are fantasy and which are real is what disqualifies them as child entertainers in my eyes.

My child will at some point tell another child that it's a man in a dress. Then what? Will his belief be corrected by said "individual" to say "I'm a person in a dress "? If so in that very moment, my child is being asked to believe that this is not make believe. This forced belief is something I'm truly uncomfortable with.

It's either child entertainment or it is not. You can't tell the children it's just an act then simultaneously ask them to belive parts of it are real. You can't require of children to take part in the belief system of the reader.

Aida does not wear a "long rainbow dress". There would be fewer problems if he did.

twitter.com/PinkNews/status/1540671598042042368?t=tKS0dlIYZ8ElCZzheAfzeg&s=19

Note that the backs of children's heads are visible in that image. You have to wonder what view they were getting.

Aida does not wear a "long rainbow dress". There would be fewer problems if he did. My apologies, a long rainbow jumpsuit. Swings and roundabouts. It's not inappropriate.

As for you blister, I'm just baffled by you. It's an act, so yes there is a certain suspension of disbelief. But it is an act. It's not what they wear every day. They might wear make up or dresses or feminine clothes outside of the act but not full drag. That's far too much effort every day! I really don't understand most of your post. Are your children not allowed to watch television where people wear ordinary clothes as one character and then shock horror wear similar clothes outside of it?

Also thanks @FlirtsWithRhinos , it's a good watch. I can't be bothered to write the whole thing again but feel free to DM me if you want to talk about the documentary or whatever.
I don't mind repeating that insinuating that Drag Queens are sexual predators is bigoted, and that posters would do well to remember the terrible recent history (and ongoing story) of persecution of gay men and queer individuals. That's the real story of drag.

Could you give us some non-sexualised examples, please?

A suspension of disbelief - suitable for adult consumption!

My children watch TV in which we repeatedly point out what's real and what is not.
Animals do not speak or fly or wear clothes.
Santa is not real.
All the Mr tumble characters are the same person.

I don't at any point in time have things I shouldn't say which they can't repeat because it might offend the actor themselves.
Just calling it an act is not the whole truth. This person is in one of their day wears when the kids think it's just a costume. This is not right.

Just calling it an act is not the whole truth. This person is in one of their day wears when the kids think it's just a costume. This is not right.

That's just untrue! Full drag takes hours to put on. It is a costume. Watch drag race. You'll see them all out of costume. They don't wear the get up all the time. Most of them are just standard looking men. Some of them might wear make up, but certainly not to the level they do when performing!

Then I must take your word for it that if my child calls the actor a man in a costume or a man in a dress, they will not be corrected.

As long as this is not the case, there's something that's different between the reality in front of the children and what we are asking the children to believe.

And if we as adults can't agree what that is, then I can't see how this is suitable for children.

You're tying yourself in knots a bit. I'm going to leave it here.

thisweekstop40 · Today 11:27
“@Ladybrrrd made an excellent, interesting and informed post about the history of drag and the ballroom scene in New York and someone reported it.”

“This place is pathetic.”

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“FlirtsWithRhinos · Today 11:33
Oh come on! @Ladybrrrd 's post was a valid contribution to the topic.”

“@Ladybrrrd I read it and appreciated it. I was waiting till later today to reply properly. I realise how galling it is to lose a long post made in good faith but if you do feel like making the same points again I will be happy to carry on the conversation. I will also watch the documentary you recommended.”

I simply cannot understand why Ladybrrrd’s post was deleted. It seemed balanced, nuanced, well explained, and not offensive. No one had to agree either.

Pretty much all drag queens have their drag persona (name, make up, clothes, style, hair,accessories) when they are performing.

When they take it all off they revert to their male selves, with their given names. Many post on social media under their drag name so fans can follow them.

They don't believe they are women. They very often are 'her' in character and 'him' when not. Very few would be 'offended' for being referee to as a man (yes, mostly gay) in women's clothing. They are playing a character. You need to stop conflating them with Trans Rights Activists.

Could you give us some non-sexualised examples, please?

How long have you got? There's a few helpfully posted up thread for you.

I don't know what the knot is?
I grew up with drag. I could say that was a man in a dress without fear or favour.

Today I am truly not sure that my child can say bold as brass just like Ru Paul that that's a man in a dress without being corrected!

You yourself started off by saying I should tell them it was an individual?

I just don't get it...

Paris Is Burning (1990) is on YouTube

My apologies, a long rainbow jumpsuit. Swings and roundabouts. It's not inappropriate.

It is entirely and wholly inappropriate. Either you are gifted with selective awareness, or you are taking the piss. You, and none other broached the subject of Aida H. Dee (a joke about ADHD, how totes hilair) and extolled his costume.

If I post images uploaded to Aida's business facebook account by Aida himself, on mumsnet, they get deleted on here. That is how visibly inappropriate they are. If images of Aida in costume, at a children's storytime, are inappropriate for adult women to see, then the event was definitely inappropriate for children. And this is a site where we used to prank each other with image links to TWC. (First two letters stand for Terry Wogan. I'm sure you can work out the C.)

There are nine Protected Characteristics under the Equality Act 2010. Not a single one is "person who keeps charging libraries to visit while wearing an outfit that suggests he has a front tail". Aida has had plenty of time to visit a tailor and get that outfit adjusted and it's not bigotry to note he hasn't.

If Aida is the best "drag for children" has to offer, then you've settled the argument. No publicly funded service should be paying for it!

twitter.com/Hypedup0ncoffee/status/1556340807632044032?t=pwQ-dKqYQbNu2QnhTw3WIg&s=19

If that's a dress, it's got a funny looking bustle.

Comment of the day.

I needed that laugh.

I was reading some responses to Aida H Dee’s Twitter saying words to the effect that it’s just lovely for children to see the sequins and the hairdo. That has made me wonder if a woman, who was good at reading to children, were dressed up in sequins, with big hair and make-up would be hired by libraries? I don’t think so ( unless she were actually Dolly Parton, or someone like her.)

He had also posted a fan letter from someone saying how much their children loved him, adding that the children are now saying they are gender fluid, as well as adding that the children are being assessed for ADHD. So in this case the parents think he is wonderful for the very reason someone like me would say his presence and readings are not such a good idea.

I'm here all week, Pots.

Yesterday on facebook, he posted a photo of a child hugging him very closely. He says she caught him out with the hug, and he didn't realised she would do it. Due to the difference in height between adults and children, her face has ended up in his groin area.

Right. Children are unpredictable. Maybe he couldn't be expected to manage to steer the hug into a shoulder one.

But why has he posted a picture of it on his business page as part of his publicity for the tour?

But why has he posted a picture of it on his business page as part of his publicity for the tour?

Because he wants the protesters to know he is the ‘Pied Piper’ and no one can stop him.

Reading the written section below the picture he boasts how the libraries trick the protesters by changing the venue and time, leaving the protesters outside the wrong place.

So bloke number one is posting pics which could be used in safeguarding training as what not to publish on SM. As @PrimAndProperPearlClutcher ·👍 noted he has a lot of funny looking bustle showing in other pics but it should be fine the children involved are likely too young to google.
The other (monthly bleeding) example demonstrated how a school created a data breach when images of children taken in a school were uploaded on SM along side sexual & other adult content.
The children involved were old enough to google. Which may be why the school did not post a web page link or include the twitter @

While justifying why someone who decides to specialise in adult entertainment should read to children, can anyone explain if the same logic applies to a stripper with big hair and sparkles? Should public libraries be alocating funds to strippers read to children too?

Having seen more than one image with what can only be called an erection in the front, and then now having seen this image is concerning.