Transwoman in the changing room at school pool

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My mum goes to aqua aerobics classes at a sports club in a private school. Recently, a transwoman has joined the class. My mum was told that they use a different changing room to the one next to the pool but today they came out of the pool and put their swimming hat into a locker before returning to the pool to join the class (there is adult free swim beforehand).

The club has a safeguarding policy which states they will: prioritise the safety and well-being of children and adults at risk

I'm not sure if my mum is considered at risk? She is 88 and nearly all the women in the class are in their 70s and 80s.

The changing room has a communal area with only four cubicles so most women get changed in the communal area. Now they are reluctant to do so.

My mum has asked me to help her draft a letter from the women in the class saying how uncomfortable they are that this person is in their changing room but doesn't know how to word it.

Can anyone help please?

That’s precisely how safeguarding works. I have to undertake annual safeguarding training and have regular DBS checks. Not because I’m a risk, but because I’m a POTENTIAL risk.
Ignoring safeguarding because not all males, which includes TW, are rapists, is dangerous in the extreme.

No, just violating the privacy and dignity of a group of elderly women, glad you find it so hilarious. The point about human shields was made because of the huge DANGER this male would have faced using the correct changing rooms, apparently.

I was obviously being sarcastic that was my point! I wasn't the one making the far fetched point that one of the reasons we should exclude trans women from changing rooms is in case they get an erection and the women involved get the wrong end of the stick!!

I don't think there's really much more for me to reiterate here. I've stated I don't agree with a lot of points and I've stated the reasons why. I've seen some very obvious transphobia and I've seen some interesting points.

FWIW for the poster telling me I would have let a man with learning difficulties alone, unsupervised into a public toilet. I most certainly not have. Many things could have been done and my whole point the whole time has been, there is nuance and plenty of circumstances where it is NOT appropriate for someone identifying as a woman, but are not a woman, should not be in a female space.

Please don't pretend that there is not the capacity for sensible decision making when it comes to this, just because you are incapable of seeing that.

I wasn't the one making the far fetched point that one of the reasons we should exclude trans women from changing rooms is in case they get an erection and the women involved get the wrong end of the stick!!

It's not anything to do with getting the wrong end of the stick (nice pun), it's a violation in and of itself for women to be exposed to males with an erection. It's sexual harassment.

"My way" IS the current way things operate btw

Again, so nice that people find women's distress hilarious. It's great for the lurkers.

mmm

are you going to address any of my points?

do you have the courage of your convictions and can you back them up?

Honestly ive never posted on mumsnet

Really? I'd never have guessed!

Isn't there a YouTube video of cats hilariously falling off sideboards you can post your lol emojis on?

oh man I love a video of cats falling off things

What else would you call it when a group of biological men are seeking safety in the spaces and presence of women, because they are fearful or anxious about the potential violence from their own biological sex?

They seek refuge away from this perceived threat in the company and space of women (who overwhelmingly do not want them there).

THEY don't feel safe in the men's space, and yet they have no compunction at ALL about inflicting the very same feelings and concerns onto women.
As long as THEY'RE safe eh?

Again, this is why Mumsnet FWR is called a radicalisation portal by trans activists, it's great for consciousness raising of how nobody considers women and girls, think our feelings and concerns are hilarious, while male feelings must be pandered to at all times. And once you see it, you can never unsee it. And it makes women fully aware of what is going on and be inclined to say no, that doesn't work for me.

So do carry on in the same vein, we love to see it.

Nice one, sorry I'm busy not picking on a minority because I'm bored x

Busy being a bit of a fanny though.

the idea that men are an oppressed minority is certainly an interesting perspective

I was obviously being sarcastic that was my point! I wasn't the one making the far fetched point that one of the reasons we should exclude trans women from changing rooms is in case they get an erection and the women involved get the wrong end of the stick!!

Very confused why you think this is far fetched? Why do we ban straight men from women's changing rooms then? Is it because they're all creeps who can't be trusted around women?

So you think if a man with a penis who is attracted to women is around women in various stages of undress including nudity, the chances he'd get an erection are slim? Because erections are based on men with penises being sexually attracted to women and that's exactly what a lot of TW are! Men with penises who are attracted to women but believe they are women. Being TW doesn't exclude you from basic biology I.e if you're a straight man who fancies women, seeing them naked or in very little will trigger a visible reaction. Not every TW goes from gay man to straight woman. Plenty go from straight man to lesbian woman WITH a PENIS.

Lia Thomas is a TW. A well known one. She gets erections in changing rooms despite being a TW. She isn't a freak or a pervert. She's a former straight man with a penis around semi naked women. It's really not far fetched to think there will be plenty of others like her.

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Of course your mother and other older woman should have the human rights or privacy and dignity, that is changing and being naked safe in the knowledge that no men will be there.

It’s very simple.

Anyone arguing otherwise has no care over the privacy or dignity rights of your mother and older women. And risk or potential risk is another layer but even without this, of course sexes need and want separate spaces, this has been respected for hundreds of years.

Goodness, there are a lot of women (and others) prioritising male feelings over female feelings. The Patriarchy is alive and kicking in 2022.