80 year old woman banned from pool for standing up for little girls

[Misstache]

This poor woman dedicated her life to defending women and girls. She heard a male voice while in the shower at her local pool, looked out and saw a TW changing near 4 or 5 little girls while staring at them. She stepped in, asked if the TW had a penis, and got banned and the pool staff threatened to call police on her. They lied and said she said all kinds of profane things. This is so disgusting. I feel so bad for her.

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Didimum

No worries. As I said as long as it is clear for all those on the thread and reading.

I'm not even sure his penis is so much the issue for me. His sex is. The stats fluctuate but I think last time I checked 96% of sex offenders were male (by which I mean XY chromosomes). The chances of any of those girls even being looked at in a sexually predatory way by women is very low. Their chances of being assaulted or even feeling uncomfortable being seen naked by other women is extremely low. The minute a male-sexed person enters that space, it rockets. Which is why we separate changing rooms by sex.

I wouldn't expect any clarity from people who, on another recent thread, tried to argue that "naked from the waist down" didn't necessarily mean that the person had their penis exposed.

That's the kind of reasoning we are dealing with here.

Some of the posters on this thread make me physically ill.
How many girls and women have to be sacrificed because some people insist that gender ideology trumps biology?
It is not a safe world for females any longer….

Oh. Thanks.

If someone has their dick out in front of me I have the right to ask them about it. It being impolite to talk about peoples genitals only applies when their genitals aren't in my face

I bet the staff would not have banned a 20 year old or 30 year old woman, not that it would have been right if they had.

There seem to be two separate themes running here.

1. The transwoman is male and should not be in the female changing facilities
2. Nobody, of any sex, should be watching young girls get changed. However, the likelihood of this happening is greatly increased by the presence of male people in the female changing facilities.

So, if 1. hadn't happened, it's unlikely that there would have been any issue with 2. Women (those adult human female types) are not statistically associated with voyeurism, sexual assaults and the like.

Agree with this.

Also the article is only giving the story of one person and it seems most people are preferring to read her version of events. To get a true picture it would need the report of all people involved including the mother of the small children and any bystanders. It’s not good reporting.

over50

We know as fact that there was an adult male present (I believe stood next to them) in the female changing room while several young girls were undressing. What other facts does there need to be to make that ok in your view?

The TW was not naked or exposing their penis.

So?

A fully clothed male should still not be there.

Why are people so keen to allow males to be around little girls getting changed. Why do males need this "right"

There will be parents who were all be kind when they realized Clementine was working with little girls at the pool. Now they know Clementine is watching their little girls get naked, I expect they'll feel differently. Just like with the Wii Spa and college woman's swimming. People who thought there was no harm and it didn't affect them anyway. Once they see that be kind can affect them they'll start on their way to a higher elevation.

I can change my top with my back to people and not expose my breasts. A man or TW can change their underwear or shorts etc without exposing their penis – and the 'exposure' part here is important to clarify whether it is deliberate exposure to cause distress and harm or simply getting changed. If the facility allows non-surgically altered TW into the space, then that's to bring up to the facility. Regardless, on that thread mentioned, I said the TW in question should have used the private cubicle as they were directed to do under the given policy.

I am seeing a replay of the threads we had with the WiSpa incident here.

Only the one time.
It is just one woman’s account of what happened.
How dare anyone say this male should not be in the changing room when a group of young girls are getting changed.
There is a ‘right’ way to complain and anything other is wrong and not worthy of consideration.
The inability to show how the process suggested works in a real life incident.

It is like deja vu.

Oh. And just how much more egregious the actions of the woman reporting were vs the male and organisation involved.

'So?' you said they were getting their 'dick out' when they were not. That's why.

Yet again, if the woman (or you or whoever) has a problem with the facility's policy, then take it up with the facility.

Please stop excusing male presence in female single sex spaces with discussion of how women should position their body to change and not expose themselves.

Taking it up with the facility in many cases, doesn't do anything.
As was seen in the incident at Wi Spa, the woman who complained was made to feel as if SHE was the one who had done something wrong.
The staff were on board with the whole ideology, as they seem to be in this case too.

And in that case, the dick WAS definitely out.

Yep and the actual outcome of the WiiSpa incident was unsurprisingly:

• yes there was a male bodied person showing their erection to the girls and women in the female only section of the spa
• the male bodied person was later arrested and shockingly had a long list of priors involving showing women their penis
• the male bodied person had actually been banned from WiiSpa for that kind of behaviour previously and took advantage of mask wearing to get admitted

But women still had to deal with being called hysterical and transphobic and being abused by protesters and online.

Not had time to read the whole thread, but wasn't the argument in favour of tw in female spaces that "anyone behaving criminally or inappropriately will be dealt with"?
And most of us knew that was utter bollocks because rape has effectively been decriminalised and because women are never believed when they do report things, and there was no reason to believe that would suddenly change.
Well, the Wi Spa confirmed that, and now here we go again.

I've not commented on whether I think the pool's reaction was correct – actually, I did say that calling the police was an overreaction and inappropriate too, but anyway. Yes, I think the pool should have responded by taking the elderly woman's concerns seriously and investigating. I don't know whether they have an employee who is charged with the reporting of safety concerns, but they should – it should go to them and be handled properly.

I think whether the person has a penis or not is quite relevant, as is the fact he targeted girls. While SA of any type is abominable, the outcomes are worse if penises and little girls are involved.

There was the case of that poor nine-year-old who died of internal bleeding after being forced to marry an adult man in Yemen a few years ago. And of course, there's the risk of pregnancy. I believe the youngest recorded case of pregnancy was five years old and that's not a massive outlier compared to the sickening number of cases of under tens.

While we live in THIS world, where THESE things are happening to little girls, we need to be able to correctly identify penis-havers and turf them out of safe spaces where girls are at risk.