80 year old woman banned from pool for standing up for little girls

[Misstache]

This poor woman dedicated her life to defending women and girls. She heard a male voice while in the shower at her local pool, looked out and saw a TW changing near 4 or 5 little girls while staring at them. She stepped in, asked if the TW had a penis, and got banned and the pool staff threatened to call police on her. They lied and said she said all kinds of profane things. This is so disgusting. I feel so bad for her.

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So not naked then. Cool.

I'm not the policy maker. I am not in this thread to comment on policy making, not insert myself into that role. My post are only about the appropriate action of the elderly woman in the article. I've made that very clear.

This wasn't in a school (and if it was I'd rather take a bollicking from SLT and intervene) and again, it's clear from what happened next staff would not have done anything to protect those kids.

Sometimes you have to think what's worse ... allowing predatory behaviour to happen because we need to follow procedures or offending an individual?

Absolutely you have

And actually it doesn't make much difference that they were in a bathing suit.

Its hardly fully dressed

FFS.

And leave a group of girls to be watched by a male?

Do you understand where the process doesn’t work here?

Do you honestly think that the most safe action for those girls is to leave the male in a position to continue to watch them?

You've made it very clear that all a man has to do is say three words and you accept him fully as a woman.

If this isn't the case do explain what has to happen before you accept him fully as a woman, just so that we know where you are coming from.

I couldn't give a flying fuck if he was in there in thermal long johns, woolly jumper, tweed overcoat and gloves.

His state of dress (or lack thereof) is not the only issue.
His PRESENCE is the issue.

His SEX is the issue.

His PENIS is the issue.

I didn't say it was a school. It was an example of concerns in safeguarding procedure by an established and respected organisation.

If the pool does not take reports of safeguarding seriously, then that's a failing of the pool to be reported, again, to the correct authority.

Nope. I've never said said. Please quote me if I have. Once again, I commented on this thread to discuss the actions taken by the elderly woman, not the spectrum of trans identities and organisation's policies.

I've said what I've said. You are free to disagree.

The NSPCC literally says to first report concerns to authority members.

NSPCC 'complaining about staff members uploading rubber fetish porn from the NSPCC work toilets is homophobia and anyone suggesting it is inappropriate and a disregard for appropriate boundaries should have their twitter account closed down' - that NSPCC?

So – again – not naked then. I was merely pointing out that you made an error in your description. It is appropriate to be dressed in a bathing suit in a swimming pool. I understand the followup debate of 'male in a female changing space' – but if that's the pool's policy, then that's to take up with the pool.

It was an example of safeguarding protocol from an established authority. I'm not here to discuss your individual NSPCC grievances.

How terrifying. So it’s ok in the YMCA’s eyes for a male employer to be sharing a change room with little girls. Obviously this employer must be able to use the facilities too, so it’s ok for Clementine to take off their clothes too. And of course it’s a female penis, so not an issue to have that out too. After all, the other women are changing into underwear too! How far do they plan to let this go?

I think we are getting somewhere 😃. @Didimum .

it seems that you are ok with a penis person to watch little girls change as long as the little girls cannot see the exposed penis of the penis person?

i am really trying to understand here. Because, as the article above outlines, some people think that little girls (aged about 9) should politely look away if there is an exposed penis close to them.

we all have different views on this and it is good to hear what other people are thinking 😃.

and I think that penis people is an inclusive and non-offensive term, a little bit like menstruator. No gender assumed 😀.

So you are not going to clarify and explain why you think the process still works for strong safeguarding here?

That is fine. And I think it is important for readers to see where your argument is weak.

And they are weak if you will not be clear in how this process you have stated is the strongest safeguarding option to follow in this incident, actually protects the girls in that moment.

It shows a massive gap that you are either not willing or not able to discuss.

fucking hell, I honestly can’t actually believe what I’ve just read!!

Nope. Not here to discuss that. Have a pleasant day. I don't really care if you think an argument is 'weak' or not.

So – again – not naked then. I was merely pointing out that you made an error in your description. It is appropriate to be dressed in a bathing suit in a swimming pool. I understand the followup debate of 'male in a female changing space' – but if that's the pool's policy, then that's to take up with the pool.

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Yes I took your correction on board the first time. Thanks for pointing it out a second time.

As a poster who isn't passing any judgement on the actions of the lovely TW in the story and so desperate to remain apparently neutral I'm hearted that you notice and point out the missteps of women as swiftly as you do.

No, we know you're not here to discuss anything, just to point and shout. School holidays, eh?

Sorry, have I missed something? Was there a woman watching children? All I can glean from the information provided is that there was a man watching the children!

And for the record, I don't give a shit about his penis status. If he wasn't born a woman (girl: but woman trips off the tongue better), he's a man!

On this planet, sadly. Fucking shit, isn't it? 😡

Come on @Helleofabore , let’s explore different views here. We can talk about safeguarding later. I don’t want anyone to feel uncomfortable on this board. Everyone welcome and let’s figure this out.

I am very interested in what @Didimum considers to be acceptable for penis people (see how inclusive I am, no gender assumed at all, a bit like cervix havers). I am trying to figure out if it is ok if penis people just watch little girls change as long as they are dressed themselves. That is what I believe I am getting but trying to confirm.

it could also be that it is ok as long as the little girls aren’t too close to an exposed penis?

or distance to exposed penis doesn’t matter as long as it is a female penis?

@HooverIsAlwaysBroken

it seems that you are ok with a penis person to watch little girls change as long as the little girls cannot see the exposed penis of the penis person?

The pertinent claim in your question is 'to watch little girls' not whether the person has a penis that can be seen or not. Yet again, the claim of 'watching' was made by one person, which, in my view, should have been reported correctly (you do not have to share that view) to be investigated properly. You've then got three issues – whether the pool allows people to 'watch people get unchanged', whether they allow TW into their women's changing spaces and whether they deal with reported unconcerns appropriately.