Ben Cooper QC - Lawyer of the Week (in the Times)

[Justme56]

Sorry I can't share the article, but liked this:

What is the funniest thing that has happened in your job?

As a result of my work in this area, apparently becoming an object of admiration on Mumsnet [the Internet parents' forum] - improbable in many ways.

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You are very kind errol. Very kind.

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@Hearach15 At this point you're being rather odd - I mean it's actually not on, saying that you hope there's a cure for anyone's sexual orientation, do you understand that?

Your views are not acceptable in a democratic society, and will only stand on this board to show the lurkers who you are.

I mean all this may be a bit of a game or a distraction for you, but you're straying into truly dodgy stuff here.

I hope people don't think all LGB activists or LGB people are like that, otherwise a future of my children is very bleak. I will do all I can to make sure this sort of unacceptable bigotry is nowhere near any movement I support.

I'm an LGBT activist - thanks.

I am inclusive of trans people.

As a straight person, will you condemn all malign statements and crimes committed by other straight people?

I do! And I have. Remarkable isn’t it? That someone can have a sense of right and wrong that has not been impaired because someone works for Stonewall or is of the same sexual orientation or in the same community.

I also don’t ignore the rights of children and I try to centre their needs in making decisions. Remarkable to see that you can’t do that either.

@Hearach15 Well, please stay the fuck away from the LGB activism that is meant to be for me and my kids. We don't want a bigot like you in our ranks.

You can go and be a bigot with the other 'LGBT' activists.

It has become very clear over different threads that hearache has little knowledge on the needs of children and young people.

They certainly had absolutely no idea at all about the young people transitioning at the moment. Despite declaring they were experts in LGBT issues.

And they keep posting a study that has had the authors having to admit they effectively made up the conclusion…. It really is remarkable.

And nobody’s sexual orientation is flawed.

As a straight person, will you condemn all malign statements and crimes committed by other straight people?

Just some of the ‘straight’ people on this thread are people I also condemn. Do you? Because males who abuse females sexually are either heterosexual or bisexual. Either way, the committing crimes on this thread are clearly going to earn my condemnation.

How about yours?

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread?page=1

I recommend anyone who does want to understand why Peter Tatchell keeps being mentioned on MN to use advanced search for his name.

And to read this all the way through.

www.petertatchell.net/lgbt_rights/age_of_consent/under-age-sex-statement-of-clarification/

And then realise this male is out there talking and giving information to children. In fact, proudly said in an interview how he had a discussion with a teenaged girl (under 16) about use of porn to enhance that girl’s sex life.

There is more to find once you start scratching the surface. Decades more.

No one who takes a child-centred approach would write: I don't know what Peter Tatchell's view are and I have no interest in finding out. Quite the opposite.

And I would argue that showing no interest in why Juno Dawson’s name is also mentioned in conjunction with young people and adults would be similarly an issue.

A poster who has spent months now vilifying Allison Bailey and Baroness Nicholson on MN, yet wrote I don't know what Peter Tatchell's view are and I have no interest in finding out, is not someone I can believe has children’s interests at heart. Nor is interested in children’s needs.

But we have also seen that the same poster has no understanding of the exploitation of the female body to provide others with families either.

And diminishes and hand waves away the increased risk of life limiting and potentially life shortening effects to female’s bodies to medical transitioning vs male bodies.

So, it is no wonder that some posters can take an absolutist approach, and a gleeful one, to condemning women who they don’t agree with, women who do recognise the needs for protecting children and all females, but will ignore, and double down in ignoring, those within their movement who make statements consistently undermining the rights and the needs of those females and children that the people those posters vilify seek to advocate for.

Thank you for this link. Its a really clear synopsis of the legal position. I cannot understand how anyone with common sense could disagree with this.

The only misogynistic posts in this thread are yours when you defend a woman who denigrates lesbian families and wants to take away trans people's rights to bodily autonomy.

You are the patriarchy.

I missed this one.

How very peculiar. A childish... 'no... you are!'

I think I have address at least some of your misogynistic posts in my post pointing out (a couple of posts up) that you seem to be unable to understand how female bodies are exploited for the provision of families for others. Just like you have proven in other posts on other threads that you have absolutely no idea about the needs of young female trans people. There are other examples.

But do go on. The live demonstration of inane activist tactics continues.

I've no idea who Juno Dawson is and have no interest in finding out. What I will say is trans people saying homophobic things is just as bad as the gays and lesbians in the LGB Alliance saying transphobic things.

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I don't know what Peter Tatchell's view are and I have no interest in finding out. All I know is homophobes always bring up paedophiles when LGBT rights are discussed and it's absolutely no surprise to me that this has been done by LGBA supporters.

From a passionate Stonewall and LGBT activist here vilifying Allison Bailey and Baroness Nicholson. These statements show any readers that this poster is very much a hypocrite. They are not interested in viewing their own community with the same zeal as they demonise others.

They wish to remain ignorant so they think they can continue to ignore that Stonewall even lets Tatchell have contact with children given his views. And Dawson, an ex school teacher, is lauded for their young adult fantasies...

I don't think we need any further confirmation that some posters on this thread have no concept of centring children's needs. And they are not even remotely interested in children's needs, else they would not post statements like this.

What kind of person chooses to refuse to even go and find out more about the people we are posting about, let alone engage on the topic with any resembling a considered approach?

And still you cannot seem to comprehend the needs of young female transitioners. It is very clear from this and other posts that you don't consider their needs.

How many young female transitioners, or even adult female transitioners, are you happy to consider collateral damage because it is very clear that at the moment their standard of care is so very poor - clinicians from gender clinics around the world are raising alarms, the Tavistock is closing and Dr Hillary Cass has made a very clear point in stating that holistic and integrated care is what will be replacing it. And has pointed out the quality of care that is has been allowed to slip under Stonewall's watch. No, it is NOT just waiting times. It is the entire programme of treatment.

So, please tell us, how many female transitioners who have not received that quality of care are you happy to write off as collateral?

I have on past threads posted studies and papers describing detransitioning as being 8 + % and those figures were from 2-5 years ago. Shall I post them again as a sign of yet another Stonewall 'win'. Stonewall who don't support detransitioners properly (according to the growing number of detransitioners).

Considering the rapid growth and the very male oriented 'affirming only' treatment plan that was forced and is being forced through laws around the world that are being misused to capture holistic mental health care as 'conversion therapy', when the detranisition numbers do start being released in the future, it will show that those numbers being pushed by Stonewall and other lobby groups will have caused harm by not allowing the alarms to be raised sooner.

So, do tell us how many female, and male, transitioners you are happy to have suffered harm due to poor care to diagnose and treat their needs are you happy to have on your conscience.

(Oh. and please do not bother to post that study yet again, for what would be the 3rd? 4th? 5th? time. The authors have had to concede that their conclusions were not correct, and that there was little effect from the treatments they were supporting. And we have told you this every time you have posted it)

I also don’t ignore the rights of children and I try to centre their needs in making decisions.

Unlike the Baroness who voted against an amendment that would have allowed free school meals for kids of people on Universal Credit.

Would you please provide a link to that please? Any insight into why she voted against the admendment?

For expediency, I shall post this link here. It is a thread, (that Hearache was on in fact), where I linked up some of:

• the latest studies and papers about the impact of puberty blockers,

-the latest guidance issued by the health organisations from various countries. -the link to the interim Cass review -interviews with some prominent transitioned male gender clinicians and them raising alarms about the current treatment plans that have been pushed by lobby groups and adopted by WPATH and then pushed into other countries as the only option (as evidenced also by the Tavistock versus Bell court case)

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4566675-lgb-alliance-to-plan-helpline-with-lottery-funding?page=30

(There was also the quotes from Jane Fae listed there and others.... and I don't think that Hearache can claim to not know what Fae has said.)

But, I am just trying to save myself some time by linking this thread to save the derailing further. There is plenty of reading there linked up for readers if they are interested in where to start.

Another ‘win’ for Stonewall, eh?

So much care invested in making sure that young people seeking treatment for dysphoria in Scotland are being given the highest quality health care….

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f15d8dda-2264-11ed-bb7e-0eb11fc7ccd4?shareToken=3fc335225eb3e4c6185e2d624f157213

However, yesterday HIS confirmed that the Scottish government has now ordered it to work on a package of standards for the gender clinic.

A spokesman for HIS said: “There are currently no national standards of care for gender identity services in Scotland.The aim of the standards is to improve access and delivery of gender identity healthcare to support the best outcomes and experiences for people accessing them.”

If I read this correctly, what were they using for standards of care previously?

Where was Stonewall in all this?

And another 'win' for Stonewall teachings over the weekend.

twitter.com/calderdalewoman/status/1561741668029693961?s=20&t=3IlaUuUh1D6bsY6DqPzqfQ

I mean, well done Tiffany Cromwell on being first in the women's Valterri Bottas Duathlon.

I mean... Tiffany is a professional Australian female cyclist with a string of wins to her name and is an Olympian. An exceptional female cyclist. The male cyclists , well the results for the event have not been released, just this photo, so we shall see what their details are and the females who came 4th and 5th.

This is a great 'win' for Stonewall. This is what they have been working towards for years now.

Fair competition for all!

(Except females it seems. Although, it seems that Stonewall supporters really don't care about females at all unless they fit in with the prevailing doctrine of the moment. Otherwise, they are to be vilified and, what.... yes, ignored and never to be included in the rights movements that is supposed to make their lives better too. Thank you Allison for setting the example to make sure even those who you find abhorrent are included, and indeed allowed a voice...)

Here we are:

Molly Cameron - 2nd place

A 45 year old male (surprise, surprise) and at least one article describes Molly's career is in 'wind down mode'.

Who described one race in the female category in the early 00's when they were a mid 20s aged male in the following way.

“They were like, ‘Look, we know our riding is better than you… but we want help on the flat because we’ve got like 50 more miles to go,’” she recalled. But Cameron held on for longer than they expected. And when it came to the finish, a short sprint up a small hill, Cameron crossed the line first—little kicker sprints have always been among her strengths. “They should have dropped me and left me for dead 10 miles in, but they made a mistake and I capitalized,” she said of her win. “I won completely just on being a savvy bike racer.”

Molly.... I think you probably forgot that you had a virilised puberty and testosterone development into your 20s on your side. I don't think it was 'just on being a savvy bike racer' at all.

Niina Virtanen - 3rd place (No details to hand about this person in cycling... possibly be the Finnish women's skiier? )

Fourth went to Tiina Nieminen who is a 43 year old woman who in 2007 held the Finnish Road Race Champion position. She came in 21:58 mins behind Tiffany. But would have placed second.

Sorry.... typo.

Male cyclist

And fifth was Tiina Lahti although she would not have won cash, she should be recognised for coming fourth.

The digital copy of this interview with Christiane Nusslein-Volhard is now available.

www.emma.de/artikel/viele-geschlechter-das-ist-unfug-339689

Here is what she says about 'intersex' (run through google translate):

Intersexuality is caused by very rare deviations, for example in the chromosome set. But intersex people also have the characteristics of both genders, they are not a third gender.

So.... do those who continue to post that 'Stonewall won' think that Nancy Kelley should be listening to a Nobel laureate Developmental Biologist on these issues?

Or an author, activist whose work depends on supporting their view and not on exploring to discover the truth?

Is that 'expert' enough for other posters? or because Nusslein-Volhard's work on the mechanisms of early embryonic development was on fruit flies (rather than humans, although it is applicable to humans of course... and not ethical to experiment on human embryos beyond 21 days now, the age was even earlier in the 90s!, is her opinion going to be dismissed..... )

Just waiting for the posts telling us this is not an example of 'Stonewall' winning too.

Because to me, Nancy's retweet using the quote 'pretending that only female and male exist' - as in that there IS a third sex, is just like Stonewall's evangelical and reputation damaging 'winning performance' in Allison's case.

Winning!

Speaking of Allison Bailey, and those who support her, I believe that the LGB Alliance has an allotment in need to tending to fight to retain their charity status.

Go Allison!

Let's hope that unlike Allison Bailey LGBA win this one.