Ben Cooper QC - Lawyer of the Week (in the Times)

[Justme56]

Sorry I can't share the article, but liked this:

What is the funniest thing that has happened in your job?

As a result of my work in this area, apparently becoming an object of admiration on Mumsnet [the Internet parents' forum] - improbable in many ways.

😁

A person who posts misogynistic posts that seems unable to understand much at all about being a female.

If I remember correctly too, and Hearache can correct me, is not homosexual either. Certainly not a lesbian.

But has had a huge amount to say about what lesbians do and don’t apparently believe…

Please tell us what expertise do you have on lesbian point of view or on feminism Hearache.

You are after all, the one constantly trying to gatekeep who posts on these threads and keep reminding people of their expertise.

Where is YOUR expertise in these areas that you can actually speak with authority on lesbian point of view or feminism.

Feminism is about and for females - all females, the ones you like the ones you don't like, the ones you know, the ones you don't know, the ones whose opinions you share, the ones whose opinions you don't.

What feminism isn't is about or for men, any men whatever they identify as or whatever their feelings are about themselves.

People who include, pander to and elevate men and then declare themselves feminists are anything but.

Remember vest in Hearache's view:

Hearach15 · Today 10:34

You actually don't need to engage with racist and homophobic women. Just ignore them. Don't invite them anywhere. Condemn and move on.

So, in hearache's world any rights movement should ignore the needs of anyone who doesn't agree with it. Feminism is renowned for progressing the needs of women and girls, for all females as a sex class. REGARDLESS of whether those other women and girls feel the need for it at the time.

It is not a surprise at all to discover that some males simply cannot understand the feminist movement and what feminists actually fight for with any depth.

It is not a surprise at all to discover that some males feels expert enough to speak for lesbians.

It is a surprise to find them constantly posting misogynistic posts on a feminist thread though, and to constantly seek to shame any women who attempt to point out that their view may have flaws incomprehension, logic, and in application.

So, in hearache's world any rights movement should ignore the needs of anyone who doesn't agree with it. Feminism is renowned for progressing the needs of women and girls, for all females as a sex class. REGARDLESS of whether those other women and girls feel the need for it at the time.

Indeed, in any rights movement including the civil rights movement there are those who don't agree with it. Hearache would have them shunned and excluded from the rights gained no doubt.

Feminism includes women I would be reluctant to piss on if they were on fire but they are as deserving of female rights as I am due to them being female and that's how it should be and must be you don't deny some females rights or don't fight for their rights because you don't like them or the opinions they hold.

Woo hoo @Hearach15 The Westboro Baptist Church are thrilled and supportive of a sign at Manchester Pride which is exactly like one of their signs and slogans just one word changed - aren't you thrilled to be on the same side as one of the most homophobic and racist institutions around! Now what was that about the Christian Far Right again?

What was that about condemning bigots, racists and homophobes again @Hearach15 ? And not having them in your circle? Here we have a group at Manchester Pride no less aping their slogans and being praised by the WBC for doing so and not condemning or distancing themselves from that validation - hoist by your own petard somewhat.

Well now.... the Westboro church supporting Manchester Pride.... And Pride using the slogans and artworks of Westboro Church.

Gosh.... haven't I seen in the past such affiliations being described as allyships by people who are wedded to making extremely bad faith takes on anything about a group they hate?

Is the Westboro Church now supporting Pride in the UK? Loaning its design team and giving activist advice. Blimey!

Strange bedfellows indeed @Helleofabore.

Are you telling me these lesbians you apparently know agree with LGB Alliance supporter Baroness Nicholson that two women marrying is "degrading" and that lesbians families are neither "natural nor normal" and that there should be a different gay of consent for gay and straight couples? I very much doubt that

I am saying that you don't hold the universal beliefs of LGB people. That many people, most of the population I would expect, are able to agree on some issues and not others and still appreciate the efforts of those who are contributing to progressing the movement.

I am saying that if you only view historic attitudes of people who have made decisions based on the knowledge and the opinions of even LGB people at the time, and without also being able to respect that some people sought to actively find solutions that worked until they were confidence that no harm was done to another group with the law changes, is an extreme view.

I am also saying that cherry picking words and phrases and detaching them from context and simply constantly repeating them is a very poor approach to engagement. And is an indication that you cannot actually process and analyse information with any coherency, or you are simply acting like a zealot for your own reasons.

But mostly, I am saying, that it is up to those lesbians to make up their own minds as to how comfortable they are about the past attitudes of people they have active dialogue with. And that it is up to those lesbians to either include them or not based on in-depth conversations to establish if that person still retains the opinions being ascribed to them, or in fact, ever did.

And maybe hearache you can again tell us how come you have seemingly posited yourself as an expert on what lesbians think and what feminist analysis of issues impacting their sex as a class based analysis is?

Care to tell us?

How very selective. You missed a bit.

Maybe hearache will now answer whether they will vilify publicly here and every social media platform, Peter Tatchell who is well known, although has tried to deny it, for stating not all intergenerational sex involving children is sex abuse… and supported keeping an underage wife together with her adult husband more recently. Amongst other things Tatchell has done and said.

"If I remember correctly too, and Hearache can correct me, is not homosexual either. Certainly not a lesbian."

Lol. I can assure you I'm not straight. I cannot think of anything worse.

And I remember that you are not homosexual either.

Why do cagey? You announced it in one of your posts on other threads.

You're mistaken. You're mistaken about everything.

So you are a homosexual male, who is speaking for lesbians?

You know homosexuals are both men and women? Once again you've shown how little you about the LGBT community.

And you are a male speaking on behalf of females.

And you believe that your experiences are directly applicable to females?

How much of a misogynistic would a male have to be to do that?

"And you are a male speaking on behalf of females."

What an assumption! I knew I should have put my pronouns in my bio. Perhaps it's not too late.

So now you are a homosexual woman? Speaking on behalf of all other homosexual women?

One who cannot accept other people who are lesbian have different opinions to you?

And you still cannot take a child centred approach to anything. And you cannot acknowledge the greater harms to female bodies of transitioning.

And still post misogynistic posts.

As I've said before, there are many varied opinions in the LGBT community.

However, the vast majority of people in the community agree with me that believing gay marriage "degrades" women, being against lesbian and gay families and wanting a different age of consent for gay and straight people = bigotry.

"And you cannot acknowledge the greater harms to female bodies of transitioning."

Should add also most LGBT people are pro-trans rights and that includes their right to bodily autonomy.

The vast majority of trans people don't regret medically transitioning and I am all for trans people taking decisions about their own bodies rather than the Government or a few angry transphobes on the internet. It's called personal freedom.

The only misogynistic posts in this thread are yours when you defend a woman who denigrates lesbian families and wants to take away trans people's rights to bodily autonomy.

You are the patriarchy.