Ben Cooper QC - Lawyer of the Week (in the Times)

[Justme56]

Sorry I can't share the article, but liked this:

What is the funniest thing that has happened in your job?

As a result of my work in this area, apparently becoming an object of admiration on Mumsnet [the Internet parents' forum] - improbable in many ways.

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"this female is taken unconscious to A& E?"

Why would an unconscious person be taken to A&E with their birth cert?

"you are praising Stonewall for rescuing people. Great. It was a very great thing."

Yes it is a great thing and that's why I think they're a great charity.

I'm not sure you watched the documentary thoroughly because the reporter is a woman and one of the refugees is a woman who the Taliban threatened to kill. Thankfully, Stonewall managed to help her escape to Britain.

And you have tried to swivel away again.

How very dishonest of you?

So, you are very supportive of the exploitation of females then? I can only assume that you are. Because you have pretended not to either understand or to ignore that exploitation in your answer.

Sorry, hearache, you absolutely cannot ignore the reality of these changes. You absolutely cannot ignore the harm that can all to often happen.

Even if you try to, we can see that you really must hate females to continue to post as you do.

Again, another 'gotcha' that fails Hearache.

It just again shows you are incapable to actually engaging on a feminist board.

So, you don't realise that trans people change their medical records too that reflect that sex marker?

They get a completely new NHS number and all. With their new sex marker.

Oh to be clear. They also change all their other ID too. So, even if they did not have a medical record in the country they are in, all their ID has a sex marker that is different to their sex.

How is that a good thing in the case of excellent emergency health care for females?

A transitioned female died because no one thought they were female and didn't check to see if they were in labour. This has happened, this is not made up.

ooops. Rushing to fit it into a break.

Sorry, hearache, you absolutely cannot ignore the reality of these changes. You absolutely cannot ignore the harm that can all too often happen.

Even if you try to, we can see that you really must hate females to continue to post as you do.

should be

Even if you try to ignore the harm to females to make it alright in your mind, we can see that you really must hate females to continue to post as you do.

Stonewall used to be a great charity. It did great and very necessary work. Many of us used to see the name, and rainbow flags, with nothing but joy and support.

Now though, it's a curates egg. I'm sure it is still good in parts. But for many people, it's tainted by its regrettable current positions on issues alluded to many times already (I can c&p those parts again if you want).

I did watch this documentary Hearache, please list exactly at what time a FEMALE who was brought over from Afghanistan by Stonewall is featured? Please stop with obfuscating language, it just makes you look ridiculous to continue to double down.

And absolutely a fool to mention a 'female' reporter. WTAF! You have really tried hard with this 'gotcha' but I suggest you stop posting about it now. All you are doing is highlighting the lack of females in those airlifts. That there seems no evidence that there was an equal balance between females and male. Females were NOT served well by Stonewall here, quite the opposite it seems.

Well done! Your doubling down and attempt at swivelling just further highlights that we can now say with even more confidence because you cannot bring evidence to support your weak arguments that:

Stonewall is homophobic, detrimental to women, and severely detrimental to lesbians.

Thanks Allison! Thanks Ben!

If it's the case I'm thinking of, the mother survived but the baby sadly died.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7395710/

IsItShining

Ah... Thanks. I appreciate that correction.

There was the case of the transitioned female who would not disclose their sex to their specialist doctors and nearly died because the doctors were viewing the results in the frame of them being male, too.

And this is also interesting and I believe an effect of the recent court cases:

twitter.com/BTPRams/status/1556293257612632071?s=20&t=8BQ4Z_BtSN3kHLy09tpI_A

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4607722-british-transport-police-announce-they-will-discriminate-against-people-with-gender-critical-views?reply=119121243

Yesterday, the person in charge of tweeting from the British Transport Police posting this little gem:

We love to see it 👏 Inclusion isn’t political, and we’ll always celebrate being as diverse as the communities we protect. If you’re offended by this, please don’t apply to work for us - thanks 😌

Today they have replied that they are kind of shocked that their 'boss' needed to mention this in reply:

Important to realise that our BTP teams attend all different engagement events throughout the year, cultural festivals, village fetes and pride events.

We will continue to engage with all communities to make the railway safe

.... No.... nothing to see here! Stonewall training over a decade with this force, they were a Top 100 employer at one stage, and the climate of arrogance that seems to have pervaded these organisation's social media team, propping each other up to post more and more arrogant and thoughtless content.

Those ultimately in charge of the organisations are definitely watching these court cases.

But, hey, feel free to deny that Stonewall still 'won' and that there is no negative effect from this court case. Because, we will just keep pointing out each new push back that was inconceivable to see even just 12 months ago.

This is why trans inclusive language in healthcare is so important. Medical staff should be aware that trans men can get pregnant and no matter how masculine a person is they can - and often do - still have a uterus.

For someone who admits "I am not an expert on LGBT matters" you sure seem to think you're an expert on homophobia.

"That there seems no evidence that there was an equal balance between females and male. Females were NOT served well by Stonewall here, quite the opposite it seems."

Ah, I get it. Your problem with Stonewall is not the work they do but that they do not enough of it. This is a valid criticism. You should set up a direct debit so they can do expand their excellent operation.

For someone not a feminist, you have no problems posting thoughtless posts on this thread.

Again, a twist away.

you cannot answer anything outside your narrow understanding, it seems.

No hearache. The sex markers can be changed on NhS records as they can on ID .

You can go on about includive language all you want. It doesn’t matter when the patient is unable to communicate and their records are the wrong sex.

No. hearache. They didn’t bring across an even balance of females and males. When females are just as, maybe even more, at risk.

Do you not actually understand that you are completely trying to ignore the point, your posts are male centred on a feminist board and you seem unable to frame your posts to reflect where you are posting?

Sorry, a long day.

For someone not a feminist, you have no problems posting thoughtless anti-feminist posts on this thread.

Omg and football, only ever discussed in chambers, and Ben's wren and it was nearly Christmas. One day when I have a long time spare, I will reread those threads. Hopefully when that time comes this shit show will be over, women will have ironclad rights to single sex spaces and equity might even be a thing, nearly.

no matter how masculine a person is they can - and often do - still have a uterus.

Only if they're female. You're absolutely right, 'gender' should be absolutely irrelevant to medical treatment. So medical records should include sex accurately. Changing it does trans people a serious disservice - this is not a matter for levity.

Trans people's medical records should accurately record their medical needs.

So for example, trans women who have taken oestrogen have a much higher chance of breast cancer than cisgender men. However, they obviously still need to be checked for prostate cancer.

Conversely, there is no point trans men who have had hysterectomy being invited for smear tests. That's a waste of the NHS's time.

Better trans healthcare is a must and it a separate issue to how they update their birth certs.

I think feminism and trans rights have a lot in common. At the end of the day both are movements that seek bodily autonomy and seek freedom for the individual.

I think freedom from discrimination and merit based asseasmet is feminism not freedom absolute which seems to be a TRA position