On trans periods and changing sex at menopause

[MauisLeftNipple]

My friend is on a women's discussion group and has been observing the education of women by some transwomen (and sending me screenshots...).

Apparently the effect of estrogen on transwomen's bodies (mood swings, bloating, cramps) is an actual period. It is the same thing as expelling menstrual fluid from your person. You can use "period" to describe any or all of these symptoms, and even doctors do so.

There are multiple types of sex including chromosomal, gametic and hormonal. And get this, when a woman goes through menopause her gametic sex changes. Wow!

Health information such as that on NHS pages re cervical cancer is actually clearer since it removed references to sex because "people with a cervix" is the correct descriptor over women. Information on men's cancers has been subject to the exact same treatment.

Anyone who disagrees with this is following their feelings and not the science. Oh yeah and they are also a t* and want trans people to die.

And there endeth your lesson....

Excellent.
Just as long as we all know.

Nothing like a bit of mansplaining…

Surely period refers to the period of the cycle. Do trans women take different levels of hormone through the month to replicate the menstrual cycle? Or do they tend to have an even level?

I've briefly looked into the HRT dosing and it appears that people are generally prescribed a steady dose. So they can't cycle.

Menopause is a natural process in women where eggs stop being released and the menstrual cycle gradually stops, it is not a change in gametal sex because sperm is not produced. I doubt many scientists would agree that women change sex at menopause.

Oh @FionnulaTheCooler you are so wrong! You lose nothing by being inclusive. Why do you want trans people to die? 🙄

It is the ultimate in mansplaining. And that some people give any credibility to this in any way, is remarkable.

The responses to those who declare the cramps they experience in what seems to be their digestive organs are hilarious - when they are not moderated and controlled by threat of expulsion.

Those responses always point out that without a uterus, what exactly is ‘cramping’.

Yes, some endocrinologists try to mimic something like a cycle of hormones, but if those specialists are letting these patients believe they are having periods, those specialists are not doing their patients any favours at all. Quite the opposite.

I love how loudly and confidently they like to explain how little they know about women and our bodies.

(The one person who tried to calmly state the science got so much hate and nonsense, mainly from the TW but also from women themselves)

Who is more likely to get cervical cancer

Anyone with a cervix can get cervical cancer. This includes women, trans men, non-binary people, and intersex people with a cervix.

You cannot get cervical cancer if you've had surgery to remove your womb and cervix (total hysterectomy)

You might also be more likely to get cervical cancer if:

I looked up the NHS website on cervical cancer OP.

I feel so angry about the language mangling coming from a scientific site.
Women are humans with female biology, not ‘identities’.

Non-binary people could equally mean a biological male who also identifies as a female.

It should say,
“Only women have a cervix. All women, including transmen, non-binary women, and
women with DSD who have a cervix, can get cervical cancer.”

@ScrollingLeaves contrast that with the info on testicular cancer which involves no such linguistic gymnastics.

Certain men who want to be women are driven by a fetish, not just appearances. It's important to them that the concept of womanhood is divorced, as much as possible, from the female biology that it encompasses.

In order they they can claim the title of women, it has to rely less and less on a biological function that they can't ever perform.

Hence wanting to say women aren't women at all once they cease menstruating, whilst simultaneously appropriating menstruation themselves for a specifically male function.

it's where the entire push to not allow the word woman or mother to be conditional on female biology and parenthood come from.
You are cervix haver or a chest feeder.

Because the word woman is needed elsewhere.

Correct. Because there isn't a cohort of women who need to separate men from their biology, because women don't have the same paraphilias.

I've come across this. I find it extremely creepy.

Incidentally please can we expunge the term HRT from our vocabularies when talking about men taking cross sex hormones? It adds to the fantasy. They're not replacing anything because they didn't make them in the first place.

Ah — this old nonsense again! So, the menstrual cycle is controlled by over seven hormones of which the key ones are progesterone, FSH, LH and oestrogen, but “period”/PMS symptoms actually happen at the point in the cycle when oestrogen is minimal and are triggered by a sharp drop in progesterone. So the very thing that gives women PMT is a lack of oestrogen and progesterone at that point (around days 22-4). It’s theorised that the drop in progesterone allows prostaglandins in the uterus (inflammatory chemicals) to increase, thus causing the pain/bloating etc. (Progesterone inhibits prostaglandin production.)

So “period” symptoms have little to do with oestrogen and a constant supplementation with oestrogen would not cause or mimic the same effects as the progesterone and oestrogen drop in menstruating women. Few trans women take any progesterone at all, and again it would be a constant dose.

The “trans women get period pain” stuff is quite literally bollocks, easily refuted if you know anything about the hormone action of female menstruation. Just look up a diagram of the menstrual cycle online -- it’s been known for decades, I was taught it at GCSE biology.

But these people do not care about actual science.

Yes, and contrast it to the NHS website on Prostate Cancer.

There is not one reference to transwomen or non-binary people, or ‘Intersex’ people with a prostate.

What is the prostate?

The prostate is a small gland in the pelvis and is part of the male reproductive system

About the size of a walnut, it's located between the penis and the bladder, and surrounds the urethra.

The main function of the prostate is to produce a thick white fluid that creates semen when mixed with the sperm produced by the testicles.

Causes of prostate cancer

The causes of prostate cancer are largely unknown. But certain things can increase your risk of developing the condition.

The chances of developing prostate cancer increase as you get older. Most cases develop in men aged 50 or older.

For reasons not yet understood, prostate cancer is more common in black men and less common in Asian men.

Men whose father or brother were affected by prostate cancer are at slightly increased risk themselves.

It's should say all women including women who identify as men, women who say they're non-binary, and women with a DSD.

hopefully, Liz Truss and/or Rishi Sunak will sort this nonsense.

Yes sorry @Clymene, I did mean to use another descriptor, I was being lazy and am annoyed at myself. It is not RT because they're not replacing anything they've lost.

MauisLeftNipple · Today 10:26
My friend is on a women's discussion group and has been observing the education of women by some transwomen (and sending me screenshots...).

Apparently the effect of estrogen on transwomen's bodies (mood swings, bloating, cramps) is an actual period. It is the same thing as expelling menstrual fluid from your person. You can use "period" to describe any or all of these symptoms, and even doctors do so.

I wonder what would happen if someone did try to tell the transwomen some period facts like Clangers has just now?
(theclangersarecoming · Today 10:52)

I studied reproductive biology and genetics and am tempted to join the group and help the lone voice of reason out, but I worry that might risk the whole discussion going poof. As it stands, the TW argument comes across as a fantasy. Their opinions won't change but hopefully anyone else who bothers reading through their rants will see them for the nonsense it is.

There are multiple types of sex including chromosomal, gametic and hormonal. And get this, when a woman goes through menopause her gametic sex changes. Wow!

Wow, indeed! I had no idea. Can anyone explain how my gametic sex will change at menopause because I was born (as a woman - the old fashioned kind, not a cis-woman) with all the eggs I would ever have. So I am not sure how menopause changes the gametes. The effect of my hormones on those eggs throughout my lifetime is, however, something I understand.

A headache can be a symptom of a brain tumour but not all headaches are brain tumours.

The fact they have a stomachache and are moody mean they have a stomachache and are moody. They are not having period symptoms.

Datun· Today 10:53

“ScrollingLeaves · Today 10:43
Who is more likely to get cervical cancer

Anyone with a cervix can get cervical cancer. This includes women, trans men, non-binary people, and intersex people with a cervix.

You cannot get cervical cancer if you've had surgery to remove your womb and cervix (total hysterectomy)

You might also be more likely to get cervical cancer if:

“I looked up the NHS website on cervical cancer OP.”

“I feel so angry about the language mangling coming from a scientific site.”

“Women are humans with female biology, not ‘identities’.”

“Non-binary people could equally mean a biological male who also identifies as a female.”

“It should say,”

““Only women have a cervix. All women, including transmen, non-binary women, and
women with DSD who have a cervix, can get cervical cancer.”

It’s should say all women including women who identify as men, women who say they're non-binary, and women with a DSD.”

hopefully, Liz Truss and/or Rishi Sunak will sort this nonsense.

Thank you, Datun that is clearer. Yes, this nonsense must be cleared up.

Transwomen (and transmen) who take cross-sex hormones are poisoning their bodies by consuming those hormones in quantities their biology was never designed to process. I'm not surprised they're getting some odd side effects, but to call it a period is a stretch.

It wouldn't surprise me if they had the same horror or delight when they miss a 'period'.

Its all make believe anyway.