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On trans periods and changing sex at menopause

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MauisLeftNipple · 31/07/2022 10:26

My friend is on a women's discussion group and has been observing the education of women by some transwomen (and sending me screenshots...).

Apparently the effect of estrogen on transwomen's bodies (mood swings, bloating, cramps) is an actual period. It is the same thing as expelling menstrual fluid from your person. You can use "period" to describe any or all of these symptoms, and even doctors do so.

There are multiple types of sex including chromosomal, gametic and hormonal. And get this, when a woman goes through menopause her gametic sex changes. Wow!

Health information such as that on NHS pages re cervical cancer is actually clearer since it removed references to sex because "people with a cervix" is the correct descriptor over women. Information on men's cancers has been subject to the exact same treatment.

Anyone who disagrees with this is following their feelings and not the science. Oh yeah and they are also a t* and want trans people to die.

And there endeth your lesson....

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Rightsraptor · 04/08/2022 06:38

I like terfyn too. It sounds like surfin' and I shall spend the next few hours investigating Beach Boys' songs and rewriting them for the terfhood "Surfin' USA" becomes "Terfyn' USA" naturally. Now, what else ....?

Helleofabore · 04/08/2022 11:18

ScreamingMeMe · 03/08/2022 17:50

The brilliant Emma Hilton responds to those silly tweets:

twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1554832996384927752?t=h0QqyhwJ_MXjN_Y5khifWQ&s=19

There are several mistakes in this thread. I barely know where to start.

First, males don't ovulate. They don't have ovaries, so cannot.

The hypothalamus/pituitary axis you describe is incomplete. Regarding the menstrual cycle, it is a HPG axis, where G is short for "gonad", in this case, the ovary.

There is feedback between all three components to produce a menstrual cycle. That is, you need ovaries, and they release important signals to the hypothalamus and pituitary that are necessary for the cycle to exist.

One of those signals is estrogen which, contrary to your confident assertion that it is made in the pituitary, is made (along with progesterone) in the ovary.

The surge of estrgoen experienced shortly before ovulation is derived from the ovary. It signals to the pituitary to produce a surge of luteinising hormone that triggers ovulation, where ovulation is the release of an egg from an ovary.

So while you may have a pituitary, it doesn't produce estrogen around ovulation, because that happens in the ovary. Which you don't have.

The ovary is not just a bag of eggs waiting to be told to throw one out. It is an interactive and crucial part of the physical and hormone changes that comprise the female menstrual cycle.

The source of progesterone in the female cycle is not the ovarian tissue proper, but the remains of the egg follicle itself (after it has popped one out). That is, the cyclical nature of progesterone is dependent on the process of ovulation.

Laughing at the fact that the original poster will not accept Dr Hilton's corrections to their dangerous misinformation. (Although, I am not laughing that this person called her a nazi.)

But the blatant inability to accept fact that doesn't fit the needs to shape reality to suit you is very clear.

JellySaurus · 04/08/2022 11:32

IcakethereforeIam · 03/08/2022 19:26

Still not feeling badSmile
In Wales at the moment., noticed 'terfyn' on some road signs. Apparently means limit, but also boundary or end.

I have terfyn. But women are not allowed to have terfyn, hence we are branded TERFs.

Go Team Terfyn!

CharlieAndTooManyCharacters · 04/08/2022 11:40

Helleofabore · 04/08/2022 11:18

Laughing at the fact that the original poster will not accept Dr Hilton's corrections to their dangerous misinformation. (Although, I am not laughing that this person called her a nazi.)

But the blatant inability to accept fact that doesn't fit the needs to shape reality to suit you is very clear.

This Article includes some interesting arguments about how queer theory shifts the concept of ‘evidence’ in unhelpful ways

I don’t necessarily agree entirely with any of it - I think to some degree it’s overstated, and purposefully ignores some aspects of the post structural arguments at the end (in particular) - but I do think it is relevant to stuff like this. In fact, it’s relevant to the approach on both sides of the popular debate in various ways.

TRAs and their allies do want to redefine evidence and dismiss everything they simply don’t agree with. But the other side (and I’m gender critical) can tend towards caricaturing queer theory in ways that aren’t always entirely helpful to the debate.

It is perfectly possible for scientific knowledge to be constructed in ways that are absolutely entangled with (and productive of) power relations and for that to apply equally to the theories and evidence preferred by TRAs as much as to the evidence they want to dismiss. They can’t have it both ways.

CharlieAndTooManyCharacters · 04/08/2022 11:45

This feels relevant.

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