On trans periods and changing sex at menopause

[MauisLeftNipple]

My friend is on a women's discussion group and has been observing the education of women by some transwomen (and sending me screenshots...).

Apparently the effect of estrogen on transwomen's bodies (mood swings, bloating, cramps) is an actual period. It is the same thing as expelling menstrual fluid from your person. You can use "period" to describe any or all of these symptoms, and even doctors do so.

There are multiple types of sex including chromosomal, gametic and hormonal. And get this, when a woman goes through menopause her gametic sex changes. Wow!

Health information such as that on NHS pages re cervical cancer is actually clearer since it removed references to sex because "people with a cervix" is the correct descriptor over women. Information on men's cancers has been subject to the exact same treatment.

Anyone who disagrees with this is following their feelings and not the science. Oh yeah and they are also a t* and want trans people to die.

And there endeth your lesson....

Some women are incredibly sensitive to progesterone, some are not. It’s the same with oestrogen. Oestrogen caused me to bloat horribly, but progesterone had no ill-effect and for the first eighteen months of HRT, that’s all I took. Even now, I take the smallest dose of oestrogen as weirdly, I’m still horribly sensitive to it even though I no longer make ant of my own.

But yes, I concur with the rest of your post.

@Boiledbeetle experiences like yours are being completely invalidated by people who feel, with no physical evidence, that their experience is exactly the same. Because people on the internet are egging each other on to build this fantasy world. It is absolutely disgusting and I really feel for you and anyone else who is suffering in the same way.

How did I know when I got my first period? The blood. Not the cramps or PMT. The breakdown of the uterine lining. Surely not even the most batshit TRA can claim they experience that.

And having had a process that means I don't bleed, aka do not have periods (as gynae phrases it) I no longer really have a clue where I am in the hormone cycles that are rumbling on. Not the foggiest.

And that's after multiple decades of experience of the hormone cycles and effect.

PMS is not a standard part of every woman's menstrual cycle and not something that tells you you've achieved womanhood. If men suffered from it, you could bet your bottom dollar that extensive research would have been done and there would be more information and better treatments for it. As it is, 'women's problems' are yet to be taken seriously - just look at the recent announcement (in 20 fucking 22 ) that all trainee doctors will be taught about women's health! Why the almighty fuck aren't they already??

If your cross sex hormones are making you feel crap, you should really talk to your doctor about it, maybe they aren't agreeing with you

@Boiledbeetle your rage is entirely justified, these arseholes are the lowest of the low.

I've had that ultrasound wand, and no you bell end TRAs you will NEVER have that experience because you are NOT and NEVER WILL be women nor will you EVER experience anything related to women's biology and associated health issues because, in case you didn't hear it the first time - YOU ARE NOT AND NEVER WILL BE WOMEN, now kindly go and fuck yourselves.

@Artichokeleaves thanks for your, and everyone else's, concern.

It doesn't upset me as such, but it does bloody boil my piss! This is the only place I exist online so in that sense I do grey rock them! I do feel much better after a good vent on here mind! It gets rid of any pent up aggression!

As for those that would take and use my words for their own end...meh! They can appropriate away for all I care if that's how they want to get their rocks off.

God, Can you imagine being such a worthless pathetic low life all round scum bucket that you would take someone's experience and use it for your own gratification!

We see you! Better than you see yourselves!

@MauisLeftNipple clip on.

I will say I was most amused when I pressed the button that instead of going rigid it spun round like Franks Butchers bow tie! Whilst the bollocks glowed bright green!

when a woman goes through menopause her gametic sex changes

What so she starts making sperm? That should be quite easy to prove if it's true, so I'd asking to see the science papers about it.

Super handy for lesbian couples too if one is older and one younger, they might be able to have their own biological child. Funny we haven't heard much about this.

But also, if being post-menopause means you're a man, surely they're suggesting that being a man is decided by your biology. So why aren't transwomen men, since they haven't ever had periods and their "gametic sex" is male?

I suppose the logical conclusion is that now that I'm gametically male, I can only be a woman by announcing I am one. I am a transwoman, by virtue of being a woman who is no longer a woman and has literally changed sex, now deciding to be a woman.

I did have them, I am a woman but it isn't accurate to say all women have a cervix.

FFS ok do I really HAVE to say only women have a cervix.. I said IF you had a cervix you are a woman. You said yes you had one one. Therefore you are a woman!

Apparently the effect of estrogen on transwomen's bodies (mood swings, bloating, cramps) is an actual period. It is the same thing as expelling menstrual fluid from your person

That's because a woman's physical self, our biology, is now a spiritual experience that is fluid and can be experienced, or appropriated, by anyone who wants to fetishize our experience.

its ridiculous that this is even a discussion. Women have cervixes. Having had them
removed means you are a woman who required her cervix to be removed. Or one who should have had one, but a disorder or issue of some kind caused a problem. There’s no need for some special caveat on this one.

The only difference is that you’d be a women who doesn’t need to participate in the cervical screening process. But you’d know that because you’d know you’d had your cervix removed.

Men are a group of humans who don’t have, and were never supposed to have cervixes (or uteruses). There’s no disorder or issue in the absence of one. There’s not even a space where one should or could be.

Exactly Charlie

Men are not looking at cervical cancer ads and going "shit do I have one? Am I at risk?"

So someone without ovaries can ovulate and now I'm menopausal, my boobs are moobs... 😱🤔🤐

You know what….this whole thread has changed my entire view of MN. I thought you’d all be inclusive, tolerant feminist, pan sexual, bisexual, A-sexual, Him/her/they/them, gluten intolerant, wheat activated, couscous munching, vegetable growing vegans but I stand corrected, you actually do realise that these agendas are F’ing ridiculous and that as women it’s actually causing us harm! New found respect for you queens 👏🏼

I’m looking forward to gathering some children after menopause with the new insight.

I’m liking the gluten intolerant yet wheat activated but there. It kind of sums up the absurdity of things.

It is all a very MRA tactic, and an abuser's tactic - to snip away, and snip away, and snip away, and snip away, and snip away, at the victim, the woman. And snip away at the minor points, so that the major points don't get any look-in. Deflect.

Deflect, deflect, deflect. My experience is that lots of men do this, when faced with a woman with a valid cause for disagreement or complaint.

And men colonising menstruation and menopause and then mansplaining it to women, is all the same.

Most of the rules of misogyny apply here:

ovarit.com/o/WomensLiberation/2174/the-rules-of-misogyny

@Shauny098 stay away from my couscous!

"I thought you’d all be inclusive, tolerant feminist, pan sexual, bisexual, A-sexual, Him/her/they/them, gluten intolerant, wheat activated, couscous munching, vegetable growing vegans"

Ughhhhh. Shudders!! Couscous is the work of the devil.

My friend has just reported back that Lone Voice tried to introduce some more science re the menstrual cycle and gametes and has had t chucked at them (and in the next breath advised t is not a slur). Also they have been accused of running away from the discussion when trying to draw a line under it when really the main issue is that they are not agreeing with the TW. The two TW have ramped up the name-calling and any casual observer will surely start to question anything they say. An own goal I feel.

Ooh, how did I manage those italics? Fancy!

Ah, tried to write t* and phone must have autocorr2cted. But won't autocorrect autocorrected?

Oh ffs t*

@MauisLeftNipple didn't Allison's employment wotsit lay out in no uncertain terms that that initial cluster is considered a slur these days in the same way that P##i is not just a shortened version of Pakistani but an insult.

Maybe your friend could point the T slurers in the right direction and warn them they don't want to end up in court.