On trans periods and changing sex at menopause

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My friend is on a women's discussion group and has been observing the education of women by some transwomen (and sending me screenshots...).

Apparently the effect of estrogen on transwomen's bodies (mood swings, bloating, cramps) is an actual period. It is the same thing as expelling menstrual fluid from your person. You can use "period" to describe any or all of these symptoms, and even doctors do so.

There are multiple types of sex including chromosomal, gametic and hormonal. And get this, when a woman goes through menopause her gametic sex changes. Wow!

Health information such as that on NHS pages re cervical cancer is actually clearer since it removed references to sex because "people with a cervix" is the correct descriptor over women. Information on men's cancers has been subject to the exact same treatment.

Anyone who disagrees with this is following their feelings and not the science. Oh yeah and they are also a t* and want trans people to die.

And there endeth your lesson....

This. It’s amazing how many men insist they are women, while using classic toxic male dominance behaviour to do so.

Hang on, so am I a man now? Does that mean I'm in a homosexual relationship? At some unspecified point in the recent past my kids lost their mum?

D'you know, I don't care what's wrong with these people. I'm just glad it hurts.

I'll feel bad for thinking that in the morning.

@Boiledbeetle wishing you cats.

And also as women why don't they get that the best possible way to ever actually prove that fact would be to just shut the fuck up like a good little woman!

@IcakethereforeIam have your kids tried looking under the car seat. That's where most lost things end up!

And your cat wish worked surprising fast, one has just wandered down the stairs. Must be feeding time. Again!

I love these threads. Even though in some ways we’re stuck in a loop of the TRAs’ making. Same lies, same refutations, every year for several years now. They are very soothing though. Recitations of fact, like mantras.

Maybe HAT - Hormone Appropriation Therapy. And Old Hat at that.

I actually think this is a creepy hobby for some of them, one that allows them to legitimize sticking it to actual women as well. Meanwhile kids and women are collateral damage.

Who was the TW who said they don't have a coffee in the morning so they can stay crabby all day because being crabby meant they had PMS?

Yes, it's all a little creepy.

This will provide insight tho.

www.transwidowsvoices.org/

What makes you assume your DP is a man? Has he understood the trans -waffle enough to understand the brave new world definitions in order to actually categorise himself? I'm afraid I am not as clever as him.

I've just realized that as my husband has had a vasectomy he may actually now be a woman. So we are lesbians until I hit menopause and balance is restored. Cool!

They stated there was a ton of research

What depresses me particularly is this phrase. Stonewall were at it the other day trying to pass off antecedote as research. Now research seems to be a euphemism for 'i googled some shit and didn't think to check its validity / accuracy cos my purpose here is actually to 'prove' some anti-science bollocks.

Periods are simply mood swings and crampy stomachs.

Which doesn't really explain the purpose of that aisle at the supermarket and what all those products are for.

What is a tampon for? And why does Tena Lady have customer demand which isn't coming from teenage boys?

And the PMS phase is ridiculous. Not all women suffer from PMS or PMT. I'm lucky enough to not have really outside of the odd month. The only symptoms I get of having a mentrual cycle are sore breasts for a couple of days before, odd twinge from the ovaries and then bleeding from my vagina for a few days. Without the bleeding bit it could be any random day tbh so if there's no uterus and hence no bleeding, it ain't a period mate! Feeling tired and emotional and getting the digestive cramps that people of all sexes have could possibly be the effect of putting loads of estrogen into a male body not designed for it, but it ain't a menstrual cycle!

How can grown adults be so deluded?

Has your friend got blue hair?

Quite, nothing like an eighteen year old who has been a ‘woman’ for less time than it takes to boil a kettle lecturing actual women. about being a woman.

That Twitter thread. Over 10,000 likes. What is wrong with the world??

I am actually gluten intolerant (not just identifying that way, but, y'know, cis-coeliac). And wheat activated, if by activated, you mean reaching previously unsurpassed running speeds on the way to the toilet.

And I don't get PMS, either. Right before my period I often get another peak of randiness though. Funny how trans-cycles so often seem to have the stereotypical subjective symptoms, unlike cis-cycles which vary wildly.

This is hilarious 😆 It seems to be an actual fetishisation of all things biologically female.

We women hate feeling “crabby” (American word?? I would say “grumpy”) and would reach instantly for coffee or whatever we need to alleviate these feelings, but TW actively want to prolong them (they’re fake anyway so…)? 😂

@boiledbeetle I've also got severe endo and had major surgery, including to my bladder and bowel, and all I've got left of my reproductive system is most of my vagina. It's a horrendous, life changing surgery. I find the lies being spread online about male women having PMT/periods if they take oestrogen to be deeply upsetting. But there is no research, nothing we're missing or not understanding - it's all made up. Seeing people take it seriously baffles me. I work in publishing and deleted my twitter account shortly after my surgery b/c in certain publishing circles these lies are the new truth and they're all so smug about their special knowledge and the moral superiority they feel as a result of it. They're not so keen to listen to an over weight middle aged woman talk about the horrors of gynae care, though. Funny that.

I have a cis-coeliac in the house too. I think he’d happily be a non-coeliac given the choice though. The trans-coeliacs can have coeliac disease so long as he gets to eat real bread.

I think the sort of people talking about activating wheat aren’t imagining the effects on your digestive system.

The brilliant Emma Hilton responds to those silly tweets:

twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1554832996384927752?t=h0QqyhwJ_MXjN_Y5khifWQ&s=19

There are several mistakes in this thread. I barely know where to start.

First, males don't ovulate. They don't have ovaries, so cannot.

The hypothalamus/pituitary axis you describe is incomplete. Regarding the menstrual cycle, it is a HPG axis, where G is short for "gonad", in this case, the ovary.

There is feedback between all three components to produce a menstrual cycle. That is, you need ovaries, and they release important signals to the hypothalamus and pituitary that are necessary for the cycle to exist.

One of those signals is estrogen which, contrary to your confident assertion that it is made in the pituitary, is made (along with progesterone) in the ovary.

The surge of estrgoen experienced shortly before ovulation is derived from the ovary. It signals to the pituitary to produce a surge of luteinising hormone that triggers ovulation, where ovulation is the release of an egg from an ovary.

So while you may have a pituitary, it doesn't produce estrogen around ovulation, because that happens in the ovary. Which you don't have.

The ovary is not just a bag of eggs waiting to be told to throw one out. It is an interactive and crucial part of the physical and hormone changes that comprise the female menstrual cycle.

The source of progesterone in the female cycle is not the ovarian tissue proper, but the remains of the egg follicle itself (after it has popped one out). That is, the cyclical nature of progesterone is dependent on the process of ovulation.

Ooooh you naughty mean vipers refusing to accept that TPAP & they are valid. This is a dark day for Mumsnet, I tell you.

Oversharing on social media about changes to bowel habit + mood swings + the compulsion to eat one’s own weight in chocolate/ice-cream/other junk + demanding sympathy for varying shades of inappropriate behaviour rather than taking ownership, apologising & course-correcting? Absolutely the same thing as tracking your irregular cycle by the suicidal ideation & urge to self-harm that heralds a period. Making a show of yourself in public “because something something period hormones something” is identical to the mortification of flooding, in seconds, through tampon + pad + clothes while out in public - most nightmarishly, of course, at school - & not being able to disguise said fact. And making someone else decide how to coddle you because you have your period? Totally the same thing as a treatment team deciding which measure to try [next] - for example “iron or blood?”, the numbers game beside which all others pale in comparison.

So mean & unreasonable the lot of you. Make the Baby Jesus have a mad angry cry so you would.

Still not feeling bad
In Wales at the moment., noticed 'terfyn' on some road signs. Apparently means limit, but also boundary or end.

Really? That’s awesome! The Welsh language clearly has common sense. I like that new definition. I am a terf and I have boundaries!

Oh Emma Hilton and her biological feelings.

Trans periods are based on science! So much evidence, you're just looking in the wrong places 🙄

"Terfyn" is brilliant! I'm going to use that.

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