Tavistock clinic to close as not safe for children

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Breaking news in the Times and Telegraph:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e1ed2bea-0e63-11ed-93cf-b011fa7fe86b?shareToken=4fa557c3083dee141defde72e0e53d54

It really is laughable how mermaids, stonewall and then like are trying to spin this to be being about waiting lists, rather than damaging treatment of Children. It really would be hilarious of it wasn't so tragic.

They don't have a choice do they?

They can't argue that more clinics is not a good thing re: access to services. Simply put, because it is a good thing.

Behind the scenes though they will be very concerned:

• distribution of the services will make lobbying much more difficult (not only in terms of geography, but a holistic approach will involve a much wider base of HCP's, many outside of the previous "affirmation" sphere. Essentially they can no longer pick up the phone to Polly or other senior GIDS staff and argue against an holistic approach as this would show exactly what skin they have in the game.

• there's a wider impact here. If affirmation is being replaced with an holistic approach then the ripples are wide. How do you reconcile a child experiencing GD and being treated by the NHS on a holistic basis with other govt funded services such as schools or social services adopting an affirmative agenda? These national agencies are going to struggle to swim against the tide of this new medical guidance. In what other circumstance would these organisations behave in contradiction to best medical practice? The implications of this are huge.

Yes children should be able to get better access to the help they need. NEED.

Not the “help” they:

• are told they should have by captured clinics
• are told by their online glitter/rainbow family they should ask for as soon as they attend
• are told by lobby groups that clinics have to provide them with otherwise they’re being “converted”
• can’t consent to
• can’t understand will medicalise them for life.

Phew just caught up! So many fantastic comments. Thank you to you all for providing such clear, well thought out posts. I am so elated by this news. My autistic girls are gender critical but could easily have been swayed. I feel very passionate about all those autistic girls. Parent groups on Facebook are completely captured and they won't listen to alternative views, even charities like Sunshine Support are hosting Mermaids. This will save so many children from the affirmative approach which seems to be life long medication, sexual dysfunction infertility and unnecessary surgery.

Has anyone archived Mermaids web site before they back pedal?

Unfortunately for mermaids, their testimonies are littered across the Internet (although, on searching, I find that quite a few of their tweets have disappeared).

This spectator article was almost the first thing that came up.

There is regular dialogue between Mermaids and the GIDS, but the two sides do not always agree. An example is on the time the GIDS team take to give referred children the hormone-blocking drugs that stop their bodies developing the physical characteristics associated with their birth sex.

In evidence to another Commons inquiry in 2015, Mermaids argued that GIDS should make such drugs available much more quickly. The GIDS team has generally resisted that call, more than once saying that “any decision around hormone treatment needs time and considered thought.”

And in evidence to that earlier committee, Dr Bernadette Wren of the GIDS said this:

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“I know that Susie and Mermaids would like a fast track so that young people who are already well into puberty and feel that they know that they want to move forward into physical intervention would bypass our assessment process and move straight into physical intervention. We feel that is not an ethical way to practise.”

www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate-

So a clinic that has been shut down for fast tracking vulnerable children, said mermaids told them they weren't fast tracking them fast enough.

So a clinic that has been shut down for fast tracking vulnerable children, said mermaids told them they weren't fast tracking them fast enough

Datun - that paragraph deserves a BOLD.

Will a rash of court cases follow this announcement?
And if it as been declared not safe and ordered to close, who will let their child be referred/treated there between now and then? Surely it should close to all new referrals immediately?

Also, is that BBC Leo film still available anywhere? With Polly charro about how safe puberty blockers are and giving that weird conspiratorial blink? It needs to be removed and never shown again.

Here's the clip:

twitter.com/Newsround_Blog/status/1151821906707984385?s=20&t=24rzJKz6aqxqaOP-DRZ2Pw

Not aged well

This seems topical if it hasn’t been posted already.

publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/20636/Risk-of-pseudotumor-cerebri-added-to-labeling-for?autologincheck=redirected

This was published at the start of July. It is certainly now being discussed.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has added a warning about the risk of pseudotumor cerebri (idiopathic intracranial hypertension) to the labeling for gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) agonists that are approved for the treatment of central precocious puberty in pediatric patients. These products include Lupron Depot-Ped (leuprolide acetate), Fensolvi (leuprolide acetate), Synarel (nafarelin), Supprelin LA (histrelin) and Triptodur (triptorelin).

The new warning includes recommendations to monitor patients taking GnRH agonists for signs and symptoms of pseudotumor cerebri, including headache, papilledema, blurred or loss of vision, diplopia, pain behind the eye or pain with eye movement, tinnitus, dizziness and nausea.

And

Six cases were identified that supported a plausible association between GnRH agonist use and pseudotumor cerebri. All six cases were reported in birth-assigned females ages 5 to 12 years. Five were undergoing treatment for central precocious puberty and one for transgender care. The onset of pseudotumor cerebri symptoms ranged from three to 240 days after GnRH agonist initiation.

“I know that Susie and Mermaids would like a fast track so that young people who are already well into puberty and feel that they know that they want to move forward into physical intervention would bypass our assessment process and move straight into physical intervention. We feel that is not an ethical way to practise.”

www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate-

So a clinic that has been shut down for fast tracking vulnerable children, said mermaids told them they weren't fast tracking them fast enough.

This shows beyond doubt that Mermaids are a danger to children. The CC needs to investigate them and anyone giving them money needs to damn well stop!!

It’s a start. Wider implications? Let’s hope so and it means the insanity will start to roll back more generally

A thread on Twitter of evidence gathered by a group of concerned parents and presenting to the Tavi CEO in 2018 and 2021

twitter.com/neverfallingfo1/status/1552882567258537987?s=21&t=S-SOX5nlMfRwrcv5tcbjuw

All the fingers in all the pies, all the denial of rogd, all the cosy relationships, all there.

I hope that these new regional centres will provide adequate care for gender dysphoric children, properly aligned with mental health assessment and support.

But how can that be achieved without radically improving mental health care for all children, who are being failed right across the board by severely inadequate mental health services?

The whole reason we need this improved assessment and care is the recognition that gender dysphoria is a presenting symptom for a wide range of developmental and mental health problems. A proper assessment of it is going to involve the same process of differential diagnosis that any child in mental distress needs and deserves. So surely, the appropriate mental health care of gender dysphoric childen needs to be provided within an accross-the-board improvement of mental health services?

Sending children prematurely into a seperate mental healthcare pathway for GD risks making presuppositions that may undermine accurate diagnosis. And, more to the point, it would be bizarre and unjust to develop adequate regional resources for mental-distress-presenting-as-gender-dysphoria without correcting the catastrophic underprovision of children's mental health services overall.

The 'affirmative' approach was all the more seductive within a wider system where children's needs were in effect not 'seen' and validated at all, because they encountered such a neglectful mental healthcare system which subjects them (and adults) to a combination of bureacratic box-ticking pseudo-therapeutic appointments and long, long periods of waiting for a therapeutic intervention that never arrives.

To utilise this moment, we need media, PR and strategy smart gender critical people to separate the T from the LGB so that they stop promoting the T in schools and youth organisations up and down the country. My dc' s outstanding grammar school was recently visited by a young 'trans boy' as part of some LGBT day or other. This young person was handing out cute little stickers and badges with PRIDE flag and gender symbols like sweets to unsuspecting 11 -13 year olds. This is not about being LGB inclusive (which is fine), it's promoting a harmful cult under the guise of kindness and inclusivity.

This is a really pivotal moment and must not be wasted. It needs the social media influencing approach that has been utilised to promote this crap.

Dr Helen Webberley 🏳️‍⚧️🧜‍♀️🏳️‍⚧️
@MyWebDoctorUK

1. I have many anxieties about the future of NHS medical care for trans youth in the UK. Will these ‘Regional Centres’ be providing puberty blockers and hormones or just psychological support and conversion therapy?
2. Who will be providing the care, who will be training the providers, what protocols will they be following? While big International centres are becoming more and more sure that affirmation saves lives, the UK retreats back.
3. Puberty blockers and puberty with peers are essential for the wellbeing of trans youth who want them. Will the NHS be brave enough to provide them? The politicians, the regulators and the NHS need to make sure we are putting our patients’ needs first and giving permission.

It won’t let me copy the rest but it’s here:
mobile.twitter.com/MyWebDoctorUK/status/1552917067862532096

I'm genuinely glad that all the trans groups saying "GOOD, THIS IS WHAT WE WANTED" got their desired outcome of the GIDS complete overhaul and renewed medical scrutiny without even having to campaign for it.

Would be nice if they could spare a thought for all the medical professionals, feminists and parents who have been asking for this for years but were called transphobic for doing so.

Will these ‘Regional Centres’ be providing puberty blockers and hormones or just psychological support and conversion therapy?

😡affirmation and puberty blockers without psychological support is conversion therapy. It is the invasive, pseudoscientific practice of irreversibly and harmfully altering a patient's physical body and brain structure and pathways to comply with rigid and oppressive gender stereotypes.

Will these ‘Regional Centres’ be providing puberty blockers and hormones or just psychological support and conversion therapy?

We can't say if the regional centres will provide puberty blockers and hormones, in principal they can but whether they do and who to will depend what the evidence says. And unfortunately over the years GIDS didn't collect the evidence so that study is only just starting now. Conversion therapy isn't a thing in the UK NHS. Psychological support is good for everyone, it was the lack of psychological support that shut down GIDS. Along with the lack of evidence and monitoring to ensure that puberty blockers and hormones were doing more good than harm, and a lack of safeguarding, and a lot of ideology that wasn't putting the young people's wellbeing first.

So all in all I'd count this as a win for young trans people.

We can't say if the regional centres will provide puberty blockers and hormones, in principal they can but whether they do and who to will depend what the evidence says.

I would hope that the evidence that Sweden and Finland (I think?) have used to reverse their approaches very recently will be looked at and taken v seriously.

So surely, the appropriate mental health care of gender dysphoric childen needs to be provided within an accross-the-board improvement of mental health services?

Maybe some trans organisations could shift their focus to lobby for better general mental health services for young people since that would bring such a great benefit to so many young trans people?,

Or they could provide independent services themselves to ensure a trans positive environment. But then they'd have to be careful not to fall foul of safeguarding or any incoming laws against conversion therapy themselves.

Blimey, the Times leader is an absolute belter! Thanks for the share token. This was massive yesterday but the torrent of common sense it’s unleashed today is so heartening and really moving.

Puberty blockers will only be given in an enrolled trial at the most:

Puberty Blockers

In Dr Cass’ latest advice, she restates the position she set out in her interim report with regards to the use of puberty blockers in children under 16 years of age- that there is insufficient evidence currently available for her to make any firm recommendations around their routine use.

As we move to the new clinical model of care, she has recommended that NHS England gives ‘consideration to the rapid establishment of the necessary research infrastructure to prospectively enrol young people being considered for hormone treatment into a formal research protocol with adequate follow up into adulthood, with a more immediate focus on the questions regarding puberty blockers’.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/commissioning/spec-services/npc-crg/gender-dysphoria-clinical-programme/implementing-advice-from-the-cass-review/

So mermaids have been persuading and influencing Tavistock GIDS people and also young gender confused people with the help of 18 yr olds who are fully signed up to the cult.

Remember their massive data leak?
There were emails between Polly and Susie with P asking S for approval if NHS leaflets they were producing.

Mermaids must not be allowed anywhere near any new service provision.