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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gender reveal part for 8 yr old

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mumda · 15/07/2022 11:40

metro.co.uk/2022/07/15/family-throw-gender-reveal-party-for-eight-year-old-trans-daughter-17004610/
‘We always knew she was a little different, when she was little as she was always friends with girls and played with Frozen toys.
‘I have two other children, Ella’s brothers, two cisgender boys who play rough but Ella never wanted to join in.

"I thought it might just be a phase."
Nikki decided to set up a social media page to share Ella’s transition journey.
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So only girls can be friends with girls and play with Frozen toys? Is Frozen only for girls?

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LaughingPriest · 15/07/2022 11:43

God it's so depressing how this sexist bollocks still continues in this century. Toys have nothing to do with what sex you are - they're not magic!

achillestoes · 15/07/2022 11:43

Yes, a girl is someone who likes dresses and long blonde wigs.

LaughingPriest · 15/07/2022 11:45

The kid has clearly been told from a young age that they are different and therefore there is something "wrong" with them. I cannot imagine doing this to a child.

ShirleyPhallus · 15/07/2022 11:47

children should absolutely be whatever they want to be, dress how they like, play with whatever toys they like, not be afraid to be labelling masculine / feminine if they like to play rough or prefer to play with dollies or whatever

but there is absolutely no need to look at gender stereotypes and then brand a child “trans” if they don’t fit in to that stereotype

5zeds · 15/07/2022 11:47

It can’t really be the toys and not liking to thump people that makes these people believe their child isn’t the right sex. I mean there must be something else they’re not expressing. There must be.

ZaraSizeMedium · 15/07/2022 11:53

Neither of us knew what the right thing to do was so we showed Ella books of trans people because she didn’t have the words to say it

Nikki decided to set up a social media page to share Ella’s transition journey

Munchausen by proxy is a psychological disorder marked by attention-seeking behavior by a caregiver through those who are in their care.

ladymactíre · 15/07/2022 11:55

it's like yesterday people were saying that not only girls wear pink or boys blue, any child can play with any toy, etc. Now a child is branded because of playing with Frozen toys. World is becoming such a sad, twisted place.
Hopefully they won't start hormone treatments or other medication and the child will have time to find their own way.

BootsAndRoots · 15/07/2022 11:57

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Whatsnewpussyhat · 15/07/2022 12:03

‘We wanted to ensure what we were doing wasn’t harmful or damaging

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EdgeOfACoin · 15/07/2022 12:05

Long gone are the days when people would try to hide the fact that they were trans. Now everyone wants to shout about it. Trans itself is an identity, not a medical condition as it once was.

So being trans is about not adhering to stereotypes?

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BlueWhat · 15/07/2022 12:06

Nikki decided to set up a social media page to share Ella’s transition journey

This says it all about the parents! I say again, poor poor child. :(

IcakethereforeIam · 15/07/2022 12:07

Not a lot of love for the parents in the comments.

That poor child.

KittenKong · 15/07/2022 12:16

Poor kid. It’s all about mum isn’t it?

I wonder if she was so cheerleading when her little boy was playing with dolls and tea parties (or whatever other stereotyped nonsense she was coming out with), and people whispered behind her back (is he g-a-y?).

Yes the kid is little and cute now - a child that age can relatively easily ‘look like’ the opposite sex, but once puberty hits, as mums of boys know, your fragrant little poppet becomes a towering, smelly, hairy teen. How will this continue this narrative?

leave the poor kid alone! Don’t lie to them, and let them play with what they want, dress how they want, and wear bloody cat ears if they want to.

KittenKong · 15/07/2022 12:18

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Where I work there is a nursery. The boys do like a fairy princess dress and one was stomping around a little while ago announcing that he had a baby in his tummy.

kids can be odd. They are quirky and imaginative. They are funny and sometimes downright weird.

maddiemookins16mum · 15/07/2022 12:21

Poor lad.

MsMarvellous · 15/07/2022 12:24

My son used to have a doll he'd play at giving birth to. Do you know what I did - I let him get on with it. It was hilarious and he was happy.

Munchausen's isn't called that now. It's called fabricated illness. Regardless, the point is it's about using the child to get attention for the parent and that being to the child's detriment. Transing young kids seems to fall in this, after all we have been told clearly that "social transition is not a neutral act"

Circumferences · 15/07/2022 12:24

FFS leave kids alone.
There's no such thing as a "trans child". Only trans adults who parrot set narratives about their own childhood which is usually littered with blinding sexism and abuse of some sort.

NewNamePrivacyneeded · 15/07/2022 12:25

Oh my - poor kid. Imagine parents so into stereotypes who assume because you don't follow the prescribe list of girl or boy likes then you must be the wrong sex for your body.

Safeguarding alert for these parents - does no-one care? The damage inflicted on innocents kids who just need to be let be until and if they decide!

Circumferences · 15/07/2022 12:27

Fabricated illness would fit except being trans "is not an illness" (so I damn well hope this child isn't forced onto a medical and surgical pathway).

"Fabricated gender confusion"?

Mariposista · 15/07/2022 12:28

BlueWhat · 15/07/2022 12:06

Nikki decided to set up a social media page to share Ella’s transition journey

This says it all about the parents! I say again, poor poor child. :(

Absolutely. At 8 the kid is far too young to be thinking about this and should just enjoy playing with whatever toys he or she wants to play with.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/07/2022 12:29

This details the psychological damage that happens to young children when parents subvert reality by pretending the child is the opposite sex. Sets them up for a lifetime of mental health problems because:

" Social transition isn’t reversible, because what we tell our children for years can’t be reversed. When we disconnect them from their biological sex, we set up patterns of denial and secrets. We set them up to hate their bodies at puberty, to beg for blockers and binders, because for years we told them they could change sex, and they believed us. They are desperate to go back to the years when no one knew any different, but that time will never come again. Time is not reversible

www.transgendertrend.com/childhood-social-transition/

NewNamePrivacyneeded · 15/07/2022 12:30

So what's the next step for this boy/girl - hormone blockers to interrupt what the body will attempt to do naturally. Introduce false hormones to a muddled child with a ridiculous pair of parents - then what - surgery?

Later what if the child suddenly realises that not all girls play with Frozen and wear pink and not all boys play with soldiers and wear blue and that there was another way!

cottagegardenflower · 15/07/2022 12:30

DS(9) hates rough games and likes all toys. Should i dress him as a girl? FFS, and what does 'I don't feel like a boy/girl mean? Kids feel like kids with individual likes and dislikes. What colour toy they play with doesn't define them.

Mascia · 15/07/2022 12:33

When I was little I loved playing with toy cars and never with dolls. I wasn’t a tomboy, just didn’t like dolls. Also, my best friends were boys, I didn’t get on well with other girls back then.

Later, when I grew up and had kids my grandmother told me how she used to worry that I wouldn’t want to become a mother because of my toy preferences as a child. I just laughed about it. Imagine my family would have assumed back then that I was actually a boy!

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