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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gender reveal part for 8 yr old

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mumda · 15/07/2022 11:40

metro.co.uk/2022/07/15/family-throw-gender-reveal-party-for-eight-year-old-trans-daughter-17004610/
‘We always knew she was a little different, when she was little as she was always friends with girls and played with Frozen toys.
‘I have two other children, Ella’s brothers, two cisgender boys who play rough but Ella never wanted to join in.

"I thought it might just be a phase."
Nikki decided to set up a social media page to share Ella’s transition journey.
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So only girls can be friends with girls and play with Frozen toys? Is Frozen only for girls?

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/07/2022 18:55

Whatwouldscullydo · 15/07/2022 18:47

Yes if parents actually thought they were right and actually believed it they'd not need:

A TV show

A news paper article

A gender reveal

Everyone else to play along

Social media stories etc

Why is this always done in such a way that there's no way back for the kid ever.

That does seem to be a feature - literally gluing a child into a belief from an early age. One of the things that first alerted me was looking online for advice for a school and finding Mermaid's guidelines telling primary school teachers that they should have a celebratory assembly to announce a child's transition to the whole school. You don't need to be a psychologist to understand how that prevents a child from ever changing their mind - yet these clowns have been welcomed into schools up and down the country (and funded by this government).

KittenKong · 15/07/2022 19:00

Are there any ‘poster boys’ for this - I’m seeing children in flouncy dresses and long hair, but no skateboarding, cargo pants wearing, skull t-shirted little kids with a crew cut and plasters on elbows and knees (oh hang on that was my sister circa 1977)

ScrollingLeaves · 15/07/2022 19:01

MrsOvertonsWindow · Today 18:41
There was a time when a parent behaving like this would have been referred to social services to explore the possibility of Munhausens by proxy (fabricated or induced illness).

In the U S, Canada and Australia it can be the other way round: the child can be taken away for not affirming the child’s trans identity.

In the U.K. schools can accept a change of name and pronouns without their parents’ permission and they teach ‘gender identity’ as part of the relationship curriculum.
(There is a petition about that linked account on this board if anyone would like to sign)

Lalosalamanca · 15/07/2022 19:02

VOM X INFINITY

ScrollingLeaves · 15/07/2022 19:21

This article is about the part schools are now playing.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/02/telling-lies-parents-anger-schools-pushing-trans-ideology-children/

ScrollingLeaves · 15/07/2022 19:27

On the petitions board in case you want to sign.

RSE content on gender vs sex | Mumsnet

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4585082-rse-content-on-gender-vs-sex
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4585082-rse-content-on-gender-vs-sex?reply=118562376

GCHeretic · 15/07/2022 19:34

Folklore9074 · 15/07/2022 14:08

Wow. The transphobes are out in force today! Why should people hide it?

Not sure I agree with a gender reveal for 8 year old but everyone is entitled to their identity. Live and let live.

Do you actually mean that though? Do you accept, for example, that Rachel Dolezal is black?

It seems strange how, out of all the material facts about a person, height, age, skin colour, weight, sex, etc that sex is apparently a matter of identity.

I wish someone would have the honesty to tell me why trans sexual is a thing but trans racial isn’t.

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 15/07/2022 19:44

Heartened to see the comments under the article are all sensible.

Coffeesnob11 · 15/07/2022 19:51

It astounds me that I still in 2022 have defend my ds loving pink. I was, what would now be called a tomboy but as far as I was aware I just played with toys. He does the same. His older brother wears skirts, doesn't want to be a woman just likes to wear them. No one had seen problem with a man in a kilt or a woman I'm trousers so why are we still considering colours, clothes and toys as being gender specific? I recognise there are a few people who feel in the wrong body and would support them but let kids be who they want and support them to just be happy

KittenKong · 15/07/2022 19:57

Well a kilt isn’t a skirt (don’t tell a scot it is) and DSs school (boys) colour was pink - the colour chosen by the boys way back in the day. oh dear, tee hee they like pink. I thought we’d gone past rhat?

Angrymum22 · 15/07/2022 19:59

Forcing children to identify pre puberty is just ridiculous. My DS identified as a puppy for a while aged 6ish. He didn’t end up dressing as Scooby Doo every day, well only until he grew out of the costume.
This whole gender thing is going to cause so many problems in the future. A whole generation who haven’t got a clue how to think critically is emerging.

NotsoTeflonBoris · 15/07/2022 20:13

What a load of bollocks !

When I was 8 I loved playing football with the boys in my street. I had short hair and was often mistaken for a boy !

My parents just let me get on with it !

Ameanstreakamilewide · 15/07/2022 20:19

LaughingPriest · 15/07/2022 11:45

The kid has clearly been told from a young age that they are different and therefore there is something "wrong" with them. I cannot imagine doing this to a child.

The cruelty takes my breath away.

GibbonsGoatsGibbons · 15/07/2022 21:25

vegan cat & just as damaging 😭

I have a 7 yr old who is absolutely determined that she is a rabbit 🤷‍♀️

tobee · 15/07/2022 21:41

Pluvia · 15/07/2022 12:39

Sexist parents now convinced they're progressive and not the narrow-minded bigots of old.

Exactly this!

tobee · 15/07/2022 21:48

Confusion101 · 15/07/2022 13:01

It really angers me that after years and years and YEARS of trying to get people to realise that girls can play sports and wear trousers, that boys can wear pink and play kitchen or with dolls, it has all been undone in an instant with these crazy fuckers. All gender stereotypes are back and now determines whether you are a boy or a girl. No long a "tomboy", just a boy trapped in a girls body... Fuck this! Stop the world and let me off!

Which shows to me a lot this is MRA pushing this.

RogersOrganismicProcess · 15/07/2022 22:13

GibbonsGoatsGibbons · 15/07/2022 21:25

vegan cat & just as damaging 😭

I have a 7 yr old who is absolutely determined that she is a rabbit 🤷‍♀️

Coming on to say pretty much the same thing. My DS (6) has been playing at being a hatching penguin for two and a bit years now.
His sister thought she was a turtle every time she sat on the toilet, she’d pretend the toilet lid was her shell!

TheBiologyStupid · 15/07/2022 22:44

I was slightly alarmed by the typo in the thread's title and feared the worst...!

Zeugma · 16/07/2022 07:28

The video of that kid in Texas…..the full shebang right in the opening shot. Wearing pearls and a tutu skirt, having nails painted while complaining that schoolmates were mean to them by saying they were a boy. Mother and friend cluck sympathetically at this six year-old child. Mother says in VO that child was always ‘different' and 'even as a baby' was 'just like my daughter'.

How? How can she possibly see any sexed difference in the behaviour of two babies, one a girl and one a boy? They’re babies fgs.

It's perfectly fine to let a 6 year old boy wear nail varnish, a skirt and pearls if that’s what makes him happy, but it appears in that family in Bible-belt Texas there's only one way that’s going to be allowed to happen. I despair utterly of this madness.

SkeletonFight · 16/07/2022 11:05

This poor child - all out there on the Internet forever.

Mascia · 16/07/2022 11:22

GCHeretic · 15/07/2022 19:34

Do you actually mean that though? Do you accept, for example, that Rachel Dolezal is black?

It seems strange how, out of all the material facts about a person, height, age, skin colour, weight, sex, etc that sex is apparently a matter of identity.

I wish someone would have the honesty to tell me why trans sexual is a thing but trans racial isn’t.

Exactly. I’ve yet to see a proper explanation for why it’s okay to identify into the opposite gender, but not into a different race.

BootsAndRoots · 16/07/2022 11:49

I would imagine that there becomes a point where the child wishes to please the parent, so they go further down this rabbit hole and express more opposite-gender typical behaviour because that's what the parent wants.

The child is happy because they are pleasing the parent, the parent then becomes happier causing the child to be happier. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

A family with three boys and the mother is very happy one son wants to become a girl. A highly religious family with a lot of homophobia happy that their son has a medical condition of being trans rather than being gay. I have no education is sociology or psychology, but this is rather basic and professionals are refusing to see it.

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