Gender reveal part for 8 yr old

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metro.co.uk/2022/07/15/family-throw-gender-reveal-party-for-eight-year-old-trans-daughter-17004610/
‘We always knew she was a little different, when she was little as she was always friends with girls and played with Frozen toys.
‘I have two other children, Ella’s brothers, two cisgender boys who play rough but Ella never wanted to join in.

"I thought it might just be a phase."
Nikki decided to set up a social media page to share Ella’s transition journey.
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So only girls can be friends with girls and play with Frozen toys? Is Frozen only for girls?

Three of my sisters loved ‘rough games’ one has ADHD, one is a right farm girl who loves showjumping (no fear), one is gay. I got the ‘wuss’ genes (but at least I have never broken a bone).

My bro didn’t like football or cricket, but likes motorbikes. They all played the guitar. Two siblings can’t cook for toffee and one was in a band.

kids like what they like and - shock - have personalities.

Sexist parents now convinced they're progressive and not the narrow-minded bigots of old.

I have often thought that as dads take on more responsibility for childrearing - shared parental leave, babywearing etc - little boys will start to emulate their fathers by playing with baby dolls.

It is odd how society is changing but stereotyped toys remain the same.

My DS is 4 yrs younger than his sister so he played with "girly" toys, loved pushing a little pram, dressing up, chose his own "baby" in the toy aisle at Asda etc. Children play with anything and this is what should be encouraged.

I feel a bit sad that just because this little boy liked different toys and was more gentle than his brothers that his parents have pushed him towards believing he should be different.

Like a PP says he'll not be sweet and little forever, he'll grow up, like my own DS has done, into a very male body.

Whatever you think about gender ideology surely this is just shit parenting. How incredibly hard it will be for this child if they decide they no longer want to transition after being paraded in the media as some sort of trans child role model for years.

DS was the sweetest, cutest little thing ever. He can now pick me up and is built like a bull.

As a small child he was often mistaken for a girl. There is no way this could happen now - even after a shave his face and body shape is male, his voice is male, he moves like a male, his attitude is male (not macho but just ‘boy’).

Reads like something from the Daily Mash. Even down to the parents' names.

So much to be disturbed about here! A social media page? It should not be allowed. Fair enough if she wants to anonymously share her own experiences from her own perspective, but to do so on the behalf someone who cannot consent is a gross violation of the child's privacy.

Children go through many phases in their development and it is dangerous to make assumptions based on stereotypical ideas around their preferences and plot the course of their entire lives. Children grow into themselves and reveal who they are, both to themselves and us over time

I don't understand the need to label everything, or even to be using words like transition. I would absolutely support my child in any kind of self expression that doesn't harm others, but I would be extremely wary of telling him this is what he is and jumping into anything. He will tell me who he is.

It really angers me that after years and years and YEARS of trying to get people to realise that girls can play sports and wear trousers, that boys can wear pink and play kitchen or with dolls, it has all been undone in an instant with these crazy fuckers. All gender stereotypes are back and now determines whether you are a boy or a girl. No long a "tomboy", just a boy trapped in a girls body... Fuck this! Stop the world and let me off!

It really angers me that after years and years and YEARS of trying to get people to realise that girls can play sports and wear trousers, that boys can wear pink and play kitchen or with dolls, it has all been undone in an instant

Often it's the same people who somehow (vaguely and unable to define or specify anything) promote both views. Their brains must be pretzel-shaped.

So only girls can be friends with girls and play with Frozen toys? Is Frozen only for girls?

It is ridiculous for them to think a little boy cannot like frozen without thinking he is a girl. The character of Elsa in particular is spell binding for all children. She is in fact a very powerful super hero. Maybe that should mean Elsa is really a man by their thinking!

What those parents are doing is criminal in my opinion.

That children are even taught ‘gender identity’ in schools is just appalling.

I was just going to write the same!
It’s crazy how they can say boys can wear dresses and paint their nails (no problem with that), but also how kids can be trans. How does being trans manifest itself in kids if not through stereotypes?

riigghhtt...

this child declared an interest in being a girl when she was aged 6 and a bit years old.

and the parents made the decision that the child in fact really was a girl by the time she was 7 and a bit years old [so as to be in time for an 8th birthday party].

what could possibly go wrong?

The parents should have been show this diagram.

By the way there is a post linking a petition related to this - lying to children about the idea that they have a ‘gender identity’ which could be different from their sex - being taught in schools which often has pernicious effects on non conforming children.

“Remove references to 'gender identity' from relationships education guidance”

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4585082-rse-content-on-gender-vs-sex

You'd think the difficulties and multiple surgeries Jazz Jennings has gone through would serve as a cautionary tale for these parents.

It doesn't stay as rainbows and fairies forever. Kids. Grow. Up.

Are the parents thinking ahead to when their post-op 20-year-old trans child needs to be encouraged to dilate themselves with a dildo everyday? There are clips of Jazz Jennings' mother on YouTube reminding Jazz to do just this.

Let alone the severe complications that have arisen from the surgery, as well as the corrective surgery.

It's all a far cry from when Jazz ran around as a child wearing a pink sundress and glitter.

My son had a couple of dolls and he was their daddy. He'd cuddle them off to sleep, wheel them in their little pram and be really happy. He also had Power Ranger figures, GI Joe and "traditional" boy toys.

I remember the goth phase during which I took him out to dinner wearing full makeup (very dracula effect) and black nail varnish. We dyed his hair black that day and he looked terrific!

Now he's a professional musician, tall, bearded and great with kids and I have a fantastic DIL who I love to bits.

How awful for that poor child having such narrow minded sexist parents. They probably think they are being progressive, whilst actually being regressive. And abusive.

@SirChenjins · Today 13:19
Honest to god, this world gets crazier by the day. What’s next once this trans craze is past, I wonder?

Actually I try not to wonder, it doesn’t bear thinking about.

This is not like being a Punk, or Emo.
Unfortunately due to pro trans gender lobbying groups like Stonewall and Mermaids working over many years, without anyone seeing the implications in time. it has been written into every institution, including school teaching, and even into law. It is not going to go away into the past easily and children’s lives will be messed up.

Child abuse.

I don't understand the need to label everything, or even to be using words like transition.

Me neither. I saw a post the other day where someone was angry with somebody else because that other person didn’t understand the need for there being 60+ genders.

The person who was angry claimed it was a privileged western view (not to accept 60+ genders) and how some indigenous cultures had various categories for e.g. manly men/ womanly men/ mostly manly but slightly womanly men/ slightly womanly but mainly manly women and so forth.

But what‘s the benefit of having countless categories and how do you draw a line at a certain number?

I also wonder if in some cases it is just an attempt to explain/ categorize people who are same sex attracted.

From the Metro article OP posted.
Re: her parents response to him/her liking to play with girls ‘girls toys’ and ‘girls clothes’.
Neither of us knew what the right thing to do was so we showed Ella books of trans people because she didn’t have the words to say it

In other words they told him/her they were trans.

I’m not saying it is like being a punk or emo - as you rightly say, this is much more than that. The spin offs from this ideology concerns me - once trans isn’t seen as ‘interesting’ enough then what?

Munchausens by proxy. Evil parents. It is child abuse.